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    Socialism Does Not Work or Cicero Reborn a Capitalist

    Cicero is generally regarded by scholars as Rome's greatest orator. He was a contemporary of Julius Caesar. While Caesar was busy trying to use the decline of Roman Republic (before the emperors) to his own advantage, Cicero applied himself to saving the Republic. His oratory is almost legendary.

    In a post in another thread, Deepdiver linked a written article that happened to be written by Daniel Hannan. Hannan is high on my list for his defense of rights and liberty. His prominence in part arises from representing a part of England in the European Parliament. While linking one of Hannan's speeches for that thread, I came across more of Hannan's oratory. At the link below he debates at Oxford University against socialism.

    It is a thirteen minute oration. When I was done listening, I had to ask myself, "Has Cicero been reborn a liberty-minded capitalist?" Its really that good.




    Save John and Mike's bandwidth--click through and watch it at youtube.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Thanks. At the Oxford Union, cozy for intellectuals..

    He is answering this 'Socialism DOES work'
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbCxBYIFPg4
    Last edited by Nightmare; 05-30-2015 at 06:50 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Thanks. At the Oxford Union, cozy for intellectuals..

    He is answering this 'Socialism DOES work'
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbCxBYIFPg4
    Dude!! You gotta warn a guy when something you're linking is so NSFB (not safe for breakfast). I almost lost my waffles!

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Dude!! You gotta warn a guy when something you're linking is so NSFB (not safe for breakfast). I almost lost my waffles!
    LOL That wasn't the heckler in Hannan's audience.
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    “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” - Margaret Thatcher
    About five seconds to make the same case.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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