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    Sgt. Green camera footage

    Bodycam footage from Palestine Police Sgt. Gabriel Green during the shooting of James Bushey on May 31, 2015

    First of all, let's get this out of the way: what is the purpose of this thread? I think it is a learning opportunity. I don't know specifically what all lessons may be gleaned from it, that's what you guys are for. I'm shocked at the events (I guess I shouldn't be) and I'm sad for the loss of life. I personally have no intention of discussing justification in this thread. Only what we can take away to better prepare ourselves to preserve innocent life in the future.

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    Clearly a gun, clearly time to identify the threat, yet all so fast.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    Interesting if one stops the action one can see the lazer dot during the different shots. A really piss poor draw by the Bad guy.

    4 seconds from BG drawing to first shot 4 seconds to last shot 8 seconds total
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Interesting if one stops the action one can see the lazer dot during the different shots. A really piss poor draw by the Bad guy.
    Yea it was. Most bad guys don't really practice much.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Certainly an UNWISE choice by the person police had informed was a suspect in a crime. Not the type of action that should be supported by this forum in keeping with its goal of LAWFUL Carry and obeying the law!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Clearly a gun, clearly time to identify the threat, yet all so fast.
    Yet all so fast... Yes. I have read about how short gun fights typically are, but reading a number of seconds on a page and seeing one go down in first person view - it's so different and eye opening. I had an adrenaline rush just watching the video, I can only imagine being in the scenario. Hopefully it never happens, but I think if nothing else this video serves as a push for me to train more. Of course I'll never be confronting suspects, but of course no one here needs to be told that crime can happen anywhere and any time.
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    I guess we can learn that police are very efficient at killing. Most understand that though.
    I think the majority of folks already know that if you point a BB gun at cops they are going to kill you.
    I suspect he knowingly chose to die rather than go to jail.
    I can see no fault with any actions by the cops in this vid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    Yet all so fast... Yes. I have read about how short gun fights typically are, but reading a number of seconds on a page and seeing one go down in first person view - it's so different and eye opening. I had an adrenaline rush just watching the video, I can only imagine being in the scenario. Hopefully it never happens, but I think if nothing else this video serves as a push for me to train more. Of course I'll never be confronting suspects, but of course no one here needs to be told that crime can happen anywhere and any time.
    Yea definitely a good reminder on the training. Too bad someone force others to defend with lethal force. The harm isn't just done to the bad guy....the shooters must live with this for as long as they live.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Justified use of deadly force. A man is actually willing to go down like that? For...theft????
    Talk about S.T.U.P.I.D.

    I hope and pray the two officers are able to handle the psychological trauma such an event brings.
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    Definitely an adrenaline rush - damn shame it went down that way, but find no fault with the response.
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    The next video is that of his female partner's body cam. Watching both really gives a full perspective of what happened.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxykcRjNqZ4

    Her reaction time was pretty slow. I don't see anything to fault the cops about though.
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    Clearly justified, just have to wonder what was going through his very drunk mind. A BB gun? Really? I hate to say something bad about the dead, but how incredibly stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Clearly justified, just have to wonder what was going through his very drunk mind. A BB gun? Really? I hate to say something bad about the dead, but how incredibly stupid.
    Drunks, dopers, and crazy people do not always act in a rational manner.
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