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    Saw this article and thought of you.....


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    "Coincidentally, Walmart sells guns. It also sells caskets. If you’re going to buy the first, you might as well buy the second. You may need it sooner than you think."
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    The idiot who wrote this article failed to mention that the fatal flaw behind the "The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence" study is that they only studied gun deaths and refused to acknowledge that over 95% of legitimate defensive gun uses do not involve the law abiding citizen killing the criminal, but rather usually the citizen drawing down and holding the criminal at bay until cops arrive.

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    Yeh, I saw this article while I was open carrying in bank of America, a couple of these papers were laying on the coffee table in the waiting area. I think Colion Noir says it best, this reporter is the problem. I've just discovered Colion and have been watching some of his youtube video's

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K8tMr6rN_k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRbeuVgWTZA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xumlt4ULh8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-ReKdiIPlg
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    Sooner or later you'll need a casket. Good advice

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    Anti gun people are useful idiots. Do they really think murders will stop if you outlaw guns?

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    So typical of antis.

    Hear evil, see evil, speak evil - problem is they manufacture it where there is none and ignore that the evil that does exist is in the hearts of evil men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    While there is no denying the obvious - please explain the reference here.
    Wally World is a much better full-service shopping experience than Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

    Wally World carries all that, plus chips and caskets. Plus providing a no cover/no minimum floor show. How much better can it get?

    And now they usually have a fast food outlet so you will not die of hunger while gawking at all the sights.

    stay safe.
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    The newspaper takes 400 word rebuttal letters I'm thinking of writing one,
    I'm also thinking of taking out a ad in there classified section about open carry just haven't come up with a good idea for it maybe an announcement of a coffee meet up or a picnic at the park there and Mukilteo by the ferry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Wally World is a much better full-service shopping experience --snipped--
    Missed the last line of the article the first time. Totally amended my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
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    Cites for facts, solid statistical analysis*, civility?



    *Assuming your facts and math to be correct, the only way the percentage holds is everybody shot or suicided is a loner with no family. Separately, there's gotta be a lot of people who don't die after getting shot. Were those included in your stats, or are they a separate stat for "gun violence"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    SNIP equals less than 1% of Americans being effected by gun violence.
    Glad to know the biblical method of effecting people hasn't been totally replaced yet.
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    Dear ....
    Thank you so very much for confirming the stereotype of gun-owners as uneducated bitter clinger mental midgets who just stepped off the short bus. Your spittle-spraying tirade will ensure that any reasoned responses are ignored. As more and more folks are saying, "Please stop helping".

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Cites for facts, solid statistical analysis*, civility?



    *Assuming your facts and math to be correct, the only way the percentage holds is everybody shot or suicided is a loner with no family. Separately, there's gotta be a lot of people who don't die after getting shot. Were those included in your stats, or are they a separate stat for "gun violence"?
    The facts are more or less correct, on average yearly 30,000 people are killed by guns every year. The math was correct, simple formula for averages. If you want to include wounding and friends and family trauma tized, then the number would be closer to 10%and thats per year. If this happens year after year, your looking at epidemic numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Cites for facts, solid statistical analysis*, civility?



    *Assuming your facts and math to be correct, the only way the percentage holds is everybody shot or suicided is a loner with no family. Separately, there's gotta be a lot of people who don't die after getting shot. Were those included in your stats, or are they a separate stat for "gun violence"?
    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    The facts are more or less correct, on average yearly 30,000 people are killed by guns every year. The math was correct, simple formula for averages. If you want to include wounding and friends and family trauma tized, then the number would be closer to 10%and thats per year. If this happens year after year, your looking at epidemic numbers.
    Still do not see the requested cite - that and your numbers and conclusion would appear inconsistent with respected, independent studies. What follows is a cite.

    "Since 1993, the United States has seen a drop in the rate of homicides and other violence involving guns, according to two new studies released Tuesday. Using government data, analysts saw a steep drop for violence in the 1990s, they saw more modest drops in crime rates since 2000."

    "Firearm-related homicides dropped from 18,253 homicides in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011," according to a report by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, "and nonfatal firearm crimes dropped from 1.5 million victimizations in 1993 to 467,300 in 2011."

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...993-study-says
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsanchez View Post
    The facts are more or less correct, on average yearly 30,000 people are killed by guns every year. The math was correct, simple formula for averages. If you want to include wounding and friends and family trauma tized, then the number would be closer to 10%and thats per year. If this happens year after year, your looking at epidemic numbers.
    Its less me wanting to include it, than looking at your letter with an editor's eye and spotting the discrepancy. If you send a letter-to-the editor that includes that point about people affected by gun violence, I'm guessing many readers would spot that you only included the shot dead and shot suicides, leaving out all the wounded and the families. I mean you did ask whether you'd left out anything; I was literally pointing out a particular flaw that would tend to discredit you to any readers who spotted the same flaw.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Archipley who wrote the article is a want-a-be journalist who now wishes to be a 'publisher' so now 'publishes' three internet newspapers from his retirement community center. http://mukilteobeacon.villagesoup.co...1013298/153299

    one would believe a 'seasoned' journalist would try to validate their stats as well as un-bias their emotional rant. guess not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Still do not see the requested cite - that and your numbers and conclusion would appear inconsistent with respected, independent studies. What follows is a cite.

    "Since 1993, the United States has seen a drop in the rate of homicides and other violence involving guns, according to two new studies released Tuesday. Using government data, analysts saw a steep drop for violence in the 1990s, they saw more modest drops in crime rates since 2000."

    "Firearm-related homicides dropped from 18,253 homicides in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011," according to a report by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, "and nonfatal firearm crimes dropped from 1.5 million victimizations in 1993 to 467,300 in 2011."

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...993-study-says
    I made a mistake, I confused the total murders with total gun murders. I use the FBI uniform crime reports. This 2013 table has a lower number for 2011 than your above quote, but maybe I'm missing something

    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc..._2009-2013.xls

    So this new data would lower my percentage from .9 maybe down to .7 if the suicide numbers are lower than 15000 a year.

    I greatly appreciate everyone's sharpshooting and critical thinking on this.

    Also if you have HBO, I recommend Requiem for the Dead: American Spring 2014, I found insight into the way American males are raised or think maladaptively in some of the homicides. It gave me insight into what is happening with gun violence in our country today, give it a view if you have the time and network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    Archipley who wrote the article is a want-a-be journalist who now wishes to be a 'publisher' so now 'publishes' three internet newspapers from his retirement community center. http://mukilteobeacon.villagesoup.co...1013298/153299

    one would believe a 'seasoned' journalist would try to validate their stats as well as un-bias their emotional rant. guess not

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