Senator Mike Green, and NRA backed MCRGO, propose partial OC Ban

Redneck125 said:

If someone were to get that exemption just as an added level of precaution (like OC with a CPL), would you still be able to OC in the PFZ's if they choose?

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No the bill would remove the ability to OC in PFZs. The bill has since changed again and Green is making this gun control bill even worse by changing the ability to OC in places that have a liquor license. His gun control bill also has penalties for OC in those place with a tiered approach all the way to a 5 year felony. This is Michigan gun rights rep who spoke at the 2A march, and then preceded to go on media rounds on tv demonizing open carry, talking about how it makes people fearful, and how its the PFZ exemption is a loophole and on and on. This is specifically why I stopped getting involved with certain things including gun rights orgs who supported the same gun control bill SB 59.

It's hard to find a gun rights org in Michigan that stands up for the constitution and the bill of rights consistently. If it's not 100% it's not good enough in my opinion.

After finishing reading the rest of the posts and reading some of the bill I went to edit my post and somehow ended up deleting it. But I agree now. The bill is nothing but crap. Mikestilly, you're correct. How can you only support certain aspects of it? Either you're 100% for it or against it.

DrTodd said:

As I understand it, changes will be made to this bill. Specifically, all of subsection (9) will ostensibly be removed and subsection (8) amended on page 37. This will get rid of the "shall not intentionally display or openly carry a pistol" language that would have created a situation where open carry in the concealed pistol free zones listed in MCL 28.425o would have been made illegal
If these changes, and only these changes are made, this makes THIS bill much more acceptable. However....

As I understand it, there will be an additional bill submitted that will attempt to amend MCL 750.234d and MCL 750.237a. This bill, not yet submitted would attempt to require that the exception given to concealed pistol license holders in the aforementioned areas requires that the firearm be concealed. This is where open carriers need to fight. I certainly hope that they don't tie bar the bills together.

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Spot on Doc!

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The contitutional carry bills mentioned earlier I'll attach here, and create a separate post for.

Thanks for posting them E.C.

It's important to note: The NRA has a very active presence in Michigan and they have yet to take a position on this legislation.

TheQ said:

It's important to note: The NRA has a very active presence in Michigan and they have yet to take a position on this legislation.

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Well the NRA's - ILA (institute for legal action) MI lawyer, Mr.Dulan, gave a interview on the at odds program, in which he seemed somewhat supportive of this bill, while not "officially" endorsing it.
http://atoddsshow.com

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FreeInAZ said:

Well the NRA's - ILA (institute for legal action) MI lawyer, Mr.Dulan, gave a interview on the at odds program, in which he seemed somewhat supportive of this bill, while not "officially" endorsing it.
http://atoddsshow.com

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ILA = Institute for Legislative Action

Steve Dulan is an MCRGO attorney, not an NRA-ILA attorney.

Rather than get concerned with what combination of people signed up to be represented by a few organizational leaders who may or may not support this ban, my suggestion is to think of the people who will lose rather than gain freedom here, and call your reps and write them too, with the provided information if desired, if not sharing your letter(s) if you are so inclined.

Many offices have already received a lot of calls and emails on the matter. The problem is that both chambers are out on recess. Pay attention to when each chamber comes back from recess and contact them again.

MCRGO seems to think Green's bills will easily pass the Senate. Myself and others are not so sure. We also think the chances of Green's bills passing the House are very slim.

FreeInAZ said:

Well the NRA's - ILA (institute for legal action) MI lawyer, Mr.Dulan, gave a interview on the at odds program, in which he seemed somewhat supportive of this bill, while not "officially" endorsing it.
http://atoddsshow.com

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Steve Dulan doesn't speak for the ILA on policy matters. Dakota Moore does.

TheQ said:

Steve Dulan doesn't speak for the ILA on policy matters. Dakota Moore does.

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So, what does Dakota Moore say then? I ask not being snarky, just out of concern. Not bashing, just in the past they have worked on some bills or supported some, that have actually not been so beneficial to those who wish to carry firearms for protection.

FreeInAZ said:

So, what does Dakota Moore say then? I ask not being snarky, just out of concern. Not bashing, just in the past they have worked on some bills or supported some, that have actually not been so beneficial to those who wish to carry firearms for protection.

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I don't think the ILA has taken a position yet.

I know more, but that's all I can say.