FriarJoe
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https://www.uslawshield.com
Is anyone familiar with this group? Looks like they're opening memberships in MO now.
Is anyone familiar with this group? Looks like they're opening memberships in MO now.
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U.S. LawShield?
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logunowner
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I joined up with them here in Missouri at a Springfield meeting back in September I believe. At the time they were going to publish a booklet that had Missouri law in it, they promised that within two months I have not seen that yet and I have contacted them. They have always responded to any of my calls.
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FriarJoe
New member
That might be understandable. As fluid and uncertain as some Missouri laws have been since September, it might well be impossible to nail some of the jello onto the wall!
logunowner
Regular Member
I don't disagree with that. I will renew with them in September....
logunowner
Regular Member
Is there something you could share that makes you think that way?
FriarJoe
New member
Why do you say that? I don't have a lot experience with them. I'm curious.
Please read:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?130200-Self-Defense-Insurance-Legal-Services
Particularly post #13, then post #26 for further thoughts.
User (screen name) is Dan Hawes my go to guy and eminent gun rights attorney in Virginia.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?130200-Self-Defense-Insurance-Legal-Services
Particularly post #13, then post #26 for further thoughts.
User (screen name) is Dan Hawes my go to guy and eminent gun rights attorney in Virginia.
RedRuger
Regular Member
Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network, Inc.
People I respect seem to have a high regard for the Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network, Inc.
www.armedcitizensnetwork.org You might check them out.
People I respect seem to have a high regard for the Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network, Inc.
www.armedcitizensnetwork.org You might check them out.
color of law
Accomplished Advocate
I have reviewed a number of these so called defence policies. I personally would not purchase one of them. They all sound good, but the devil is in the details. Go find a good local attorney that will fight for your rights.
How many cases have you read about where a person who actually was charged was a true self defence case? One or two out of hundreds. thousands. How many BGs are shot during an encounter? Slim to none.
Most gun charges that face law abiding citizens don't involve BGs. It involves trespass, disorderly conduct or some rogue cop's claim that you violated a bogus law. The insurance does not cover these kinds of charges.
Life is a gamble. We buy insurance for a legitimate coverage. My question to the insurer is your product regulated by the state? If not I would be leery.
JMHO
How many cases have you read about where a person who actually was charged was a true self defence case? One or two out of hundreds. thousands. How many BGs are shot during an encounter? Slim to none.
Most gun charges that face law abiding citizens don't involve BGs. It involves trespass, disorderly conduct or some rogue cop's claim that you violated a bogus law. The insurance does not cover these kinds of charges.
Life is a gamble. We buy insurance for a legitimate coverage. My question to the insurer is your product regulated by the state? If not I would be leery.
JMHO
logunowner
Regular Member
Thanks for the post...
winning with self representation is all but impossible, the judges don't like it because of some reason and the AG I swear is buddies with all attorneys in the area and requires you to have one just to make a plea deal or get a deferred charge.
I SHOULD have won in court versus a LIDAR speeding ticket because I was in a group of cars and the officer could not verify his accuracy, judge still slapped me with it even though he deliberated with an "eeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhh" for about a whole two minutes before doing so.
we are not SUPPOSE to be charged unless we are beyond all reasonable doubt, him tossing it around in his head showed doubt due to the facts, case should have been dismissed, but it is easier to say "guilty" try to get you to pay to appeal, and just generate MORE revenue for the county in the process.
the whole process is corrupt in my opinion, as you are guilty until proven innocent, rather then the drafted intention of innocent until proven guilty.
In some states, it is enough to challenge the calibration/testing of the radar unit. Frequently the certification must be done by the chief mechanic, not attested to by a regular shop mechanic. I have asked to speak to the officer and told him what I wanted - the officer requested that it be nolle prossed rather than allow others to hear my defense. I walked, shouldn't have been ticketed anyway.
Firearms Iinstuctor
Regular Member
Grape his is talking about LIDAR not Radar LIDAR is a laser measuring device not a radar device
It is very easy to pick out and track the speed of a single car in a group with a LIDAR unit compared with a radar unit.
Both units given a properly trained officer are accurate and are reliable speed measuring devices.
Errors both equipment and human caused are possible but a properly trained officer should recognize them and disregard them.
Both units should be checked for proper operation before and after each stop. Calibration is not something a field officer would do.
It is very easy to pick out and track the speed of a single car in a group with a LIDAR unit compared with a radar unit.
Both units given a properly trained officer are accurate and are reliable speed measuring devices.
Errors both equipment and human caused are possible but a properly trained officer should recognize them and disregard them.
Both units should be checked for proper operation before and after each stop. Calibration is not something a field officer would do.
Redbaron007
Regular Member
Very well stated.
Most of these companies provide liability coverage; something that all Homeowners/renters policies do...which means duplicity...plus they are generally secondary over a H/O or Renters policy...or at least those I've read, and only provide a grant/loan for criminal action. But you are correct, the devil is in the details. These 'policies' are generally grants/loans etc. One cannot purchase criminal insurance. Then there is a question if these are loans/grants to pay for the legal fees; then later 'forgiven', one may be exposed to taxes.
either way, if you can't compare it to a sidearm for verifiable accuracy, you cannot state you are accurate as it uses an invisible beam ( infrared) , and if you are not accurate, verifiably, how can you claim the car you pulled over was actually speeding?
Yep devil in details...they say they will represent you when it is clear you acted in a legal/legitimate manner.....
If that is the case you likely won't ever be charged. The only thing it might protect you against is a liberal gun hating district attorney that doesn't mind hurting his win rate. (Cause he will lose if you acted in a legal manner)
Save those pennies in your own defense fund. Do talk to a criminal defense layer in your area and get a business card. Call him if you are ever booked/charged. And use the money you saved up in you rainy day/defense fund.
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If that is the case you likely won't ever be charged. The only thing it might protect you against is a liberal gun hating district attorney that doesn't mind hurting his win rate. (Cause he will lose if you acted in a legal manner)
Save those pennies in your own defense fund. Do talk to a criminal defense layer in your area and get a business card. Call him if you are ever booked/charged. And use the money you saved up in you rainy day/defense fund.
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Firearms Iinstuctor
Regular Member
The science on how wide a laser beam from a given lens at a certain distance is well proven the unit I normal used if I remember correctly was an 18 inches at 300 yards. Its been five years sense I use one.
There is a procure to make sure the device is aiming properly and should be check before one uses it.
It also had a red dot like aiming site and a tone to let you know if one was receiving back good reading. If you were receiving a broken signal back one would not get a reading.
If you never use one I don't believe that you well ever be convince of their accuracy.
I think your missing the point. there is no ACTUAL tag/marker, just cause it was verified accurate earlier doesn't mean getting tossed around in the squad car didn't upset the accuracy later.
and without an actual tag/marker, directly tied to the IR beam, your right I cannot be convinced of it's accuracy.
also the brochure sure doesn't mention anything about repetitive accuracy in all conditions, mostly just a bunch of hoopla about how the PD will be making a lot more money.