From what I read that's a yes/no. They are listed as having the required amusement park licenses, under the provisions that cover amusement parks. However, under the portions of code that are gun related, they have to meet all of those requirements for the gun prohibitions to come to play. I hear what you're saying about the legislative debates and not being able to declare an entire campus as a GFZ...but I haven't found anything, anywhere that stipulates that an amusement park must have x number of rides to be one, or that a percentage of that 75 acres must be rides of either Class A or Class B. I think that clearly the laws regarding amusement parks, cities creating them, and what then impacts OC/CC are way behind the times. and I think that is he kind of thing that should become a priority in 2017.
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Texas zoos (Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston)
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From what I read that's a yes/no. They are listed as having the required amusement park licenses, under the provisions that cover amusement parks. However, under the portions of code that are gun related, they have to meet all of those requirements for the gun prohibitions to come to play. I hear what you're saying about the legislative debates and not being able to declare an entire campus as a GFZ...but I haven't found anything, anywhere that stipulates that an amusement park must have x number of rides to be one, or that a percentage of that 75 acres must be rides of either Class A or Class B. I think that clearly the laws regarding amusement parks, cities creating them, and what then impacts OC/CC are way behind the times. and I think that is he kind of thing that should become a priority in 2017.
I went to the website directly and they say there that they are privately owned, not city owned and privately operated. Where did you find it listed as city owned?
nonameisgood
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Harris county central appraisal district. hcad.org
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Great! Apparently another attempt to hide actual ownership. Also probably another one of those beat the rap but not the ride situations.
Was just checking out the Houston Zoo web site and under the "What items are not allowed on zoo grounds?" in their FAQs, they say:
"For the safety of other zoo guests and our animals, pets, glass containers, alcohol, bikes, skates and skateboards, rollerblades, radios/CD players, whistles, and inflatable objects are not allowed on Zoo grounds."
So they don't seem to have anything posted online to attempt to prohibit guns.
nonameisgood
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Someone noted on texas3006.com that the Houston zoo is now posted
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It's been listed since 2013.
They are yet another candidate for a 9/1/15 eye opening.
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Apparently this was the issue with Fort Worth zoo: The zoo was public property and lost so much money it was sold to a private entity..... This private entity leases the grounds of the zoo from the city which is public property..... The 30.06 prohibition applies to a governmental entity owning or leasing a property not to a private entity leasing a government property...... So, apparently the 30.06 is (or was when I was there) legal and has nothing to do with the school activity BS.............
My understanding of 30.06 is that who leases the property isn't relevant, but the ownership is. However, there is no lease as their web site states that the Fort Worth Zoological Association has a contract to operate the zoo, so they haven't leased it. So either way, it is city property and 30.06 shouldn't be applicable. Hopefully in just a short while that can be confirmed by turning them in under the new law, and the AG office can confirm that.
Well, that would be great! The 30.06 sign posting prohibition apply to only government entities (whether they own or lease)..... Since the Zoological association is a private entity it won't apply to them..... Years ago I researched this issue and the position of people in the know was what I wrote...... Having said that, if under the new law we file a complaint we may just get lucky and they will remove it or the AG may just side with us..... This AG appreciates guns.....
And I think added to that is that the zoo has an amusement license, which indicates ownership and operation by the city. So they would be in violation of their license if someone else has leased it and is operating under that license, and that is a Class B for each and every day that they do so.
stealthyeliminator
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Houston zoo removes 30.06 - is this applicable to this thread? http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/09/15/houston-zoo-forced--remove-no-guns-signs/72291354/
"We do recognize that this has the potential to confuse or concern our guests and members" .... what? taking down a sign that likely went largely unread, and that was likely inapplicable to most patrons in the first place, might cause confusion? I can hardly see how... Quit crying now, please, and use your big boy rationale.
"We do recognize that this has the potential to confuse or concern our guests and members" .... what? taking down a sign that likely went largely unread, and that was likely inapplicable to most patrons in the first place, might cause confusion? I can hardly see how... Quit crying now, please, and use your big boy rationale.
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"The Houston Press reported that city crime statistics for the area surrounding the zoo suggest 11 murders have occurred in the vicinity since 2010, although none of them were in the park."
So with an average of 2+ murders per year in the area around the zoo, clearly this is not an area where a handgun would be useful for self-defense purposes. :banghead:
jordanmills
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Good. Surprised they aren't whining more and fighting it harder.
Now HPD needs to take down the one at the big office on Travis.
Now HPD needs to take down the one at the big office on Travis.
This is not the thread to start monkeying around, now. Surely, you gnu better.
bushwacker
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so my question is are pre 1899 (or reps of) black powder pistols prohibited? does it say firearms or guns?....I really didn't read anything ,just wanted to ask the question before I lose signal