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    Texans organize Counter Jade Helm. 15 July, HoustonChronicle.com

    "The Texas volunteers are just one regiment of a national effort, organized by 44-year-old former Marine Pete Lanteri, a New Yorker living in Arizona with plenty of experience on civilian border patrols. He founded the Counter Jade Helm Facebook page, with six thousand members, and he made the webpage and forum to which field reports will be uploaded.
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    Eric Johnston, a 51-year-old retired firefighter and sheriff's deputy who lives in Kerrville, is a surveillance team leader in Texas. He'll coordinate three groups of volunteers, about 20 folks in total, who hope to monitor the SEALs, Green Berets and Air Force Special Ops in Bastrop, Big Spring and Junction when Jade Helm kicks off on July 15. With media prohibited at the drills, the volunteers could be a main source of information for the highly-anticipate seven-state exercise.
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    There, volunteers will locate the drill sites and observe. Johnston said there's a strict no-camouflage policy to avoid the appearance of a more radical group, and they'll all be unarmed. With binoculars and spotting scopes, they'll record troop numbers, uniforms and activities"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    ... they'll all be unarmed...
    Why? Texans aren't allowed to open carry anyway (yet) so why are the volunteers voluntarily not carrying at all? I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    "The Texas volunteers are just one regiment of a national effort, organized by 44-year-old former Marine Pete Lanteri, a New Yorker living in Arizona with plenty of experience on civilian border patrols. He founded the Counter Jade Helm Facebook page, with six thousand members, and he made the webpage and forum to which field reports will be uploaded.
    [ ... ]
    Eric Johnston, a 51-year-old retired firefighter and sheriff's deputy who lives in Kerrville, is a surveillance team leader in Texas. He'll coordinate three groups of volunteers, about 20 folks in total, who hope to monitor the SEALs, Green Berets and Air Force Special Ops in Bastrop, Big Spring and Junction when Jade Helm kicks off on July 15. With media prohibited at the drills, the volunteers could be a main source of information for the highly-anticipate seven-state exercise.
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    There, volunteers will locate the drill sites and observe. Johnston said there's a strict no-camouflage policy to avoid the appearance of a more radical group, and they'll all be unarmed. With binoculars and spotting scopes, they'll record troop numbers, uniforms and activities"

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...to-6378017.php
    This could be an intriguing bit of information.

    If true, how would government legitimately justify prohibiting media?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    This could be an intriguing bit of information.

    If true, how would government legitimately justify prohibiting media?
    I wondered about that as well. How can these volunteers get anywhere the media couldn't?

    I'm thinking the media (nor any member of the public) can't get to where anything interesting is, but these volunteers are going to make a show of getting to wherever they can, which honestly probably won't be much more than reporting on the increase of out-of-towners at local restaurants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    I wondered about that as well. How can these volunteers get anywhere the media couldn't?

    I'm thinking the media (nor any member of the public) can't get to where anything interesting is, but these volunteers are going to make a show of getting to wherever they can, which honestly probably won't be much more than reporting on the increase of out-of-towners at local restaurants.
    Just hang from a lanyard around your neck a clear plastic case containing a tag proclaiming yourself a journalist, then sue like hell when threatened with force for trying to acess anything except the space between the trucks in the military column.
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    The Feds can't quarantine these towns. Depending on whose land they have rented, there will always be adjacent ranches to observe from.


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    It's a military exercise, so "journalists are prohibited" is likely a standard situation. Journalists claim exclusion if they aren't explicitly included. Obviously, there is no way the government is telling them "you can't cover it", most likely they just said no to special requests, like embedding them into the exercise.
    In plain sight is just that.

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    LOL....I now hope the exact opposite ..someone does spray paint Wolverines on the overpasses. Sounds like a great protest to occupying forces.
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    Sadly, folks are more worried about the troops vs. their fellow citizens taking our money and renting access to their land. TX should deny access to the troops on all state land. Counties and cities/towns, ditto. Private citizens, well, it is their land and we should shame them as they help the feds in their preparations to confiscate our guns.

    Local TX LE should be arresting any troops that violate the terms of land use agreements. Confiscate all equipment as evidence.
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    Not sure how you survive your days. Why would the state prohibit access to public land for training purposes? And you don't really think that the U.S. Military forces will just roll right on through Joe Bob's fields without authorization, do you?
    There is nothing magical about these exercises. Although I'm not sure why existing military facilities don't provide adequate training grounds. They control very large land areas for doing these exercises. Probably because they've contaminated them too much over the years. Or maybe just to bait the paranoids and GOP into a major league freak out.


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    An exercise in which all areas are labeled "super-friendly" or "puppy playdate center" would be grand if the sitting president wanted to invade Lollipop Mountain, but as of now most such conflicts take place in blisteringly hot desert hellholes with poor infrastructure, heavily armed roving gangs of authority-defying nutjobs, and led by hostile theocratic regimes that think the American president might be the devil. If some group of military leaders considers all that and thinks "Texas?" they have only themselves to blame.
    They are not using force against their own citizens. They are conducting a training exercise. Their guns won't even have actual bullets in them, which means the biggest danger in all of this is that one of the Navy SEALs will be accidentally shot by one of a near-infinite number of Texas yokels who see camouflage pants and promptly wet themselves and empties all 12 of his guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameisgood View Post
    Not sure how you survive your days. Why would the state prohibit access to public land for training purposes? And you don't really think that the U.S. Military forces will just roll right on through Joe Bob's fields without authorization, do you?
    Backhanded insult noted.

    The better question (that you fail to ask): why should a state permit the feds to use state land with the vast tracks of federal land available to them instead.

    Technically speaking, it will be impossible for some number of the trainees to not violate the property boundaries of those who have declined the use of their land. These potential property boundary violations, as minor as they may be, are not a issue with our fellow citizens who do not hold property rights as the most important of our rights after life itself.

    Remember some of our fellow citizens place their definition of your property rights above your property rights.
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    With the exception of a couple of military installations and Big Bend NP, there are no large tracks of federal land in Texas, (and not much state land). Unlike most western states, almost all of texas is in private hands. Mostly held and unused for oil and water rights. Even the large cattle ranches here are now mostly oil and gas holdings.
    I would imagine that the odd configuration of property boundaries will be useful since the modern battlefield requires savvy use of GPS and similar tools.
    I am interested to see what really plays out but am not the least bit concerned that the prez is "OC'ing his warfighters." The mere presence of an unloaded military here doesn't concern me.
    Now, if they would load up and start killing the cartels in the desert southwest, that'd be ok too.
    We have seen what appears to be Mexican military escorting drug shipments and coyotes on our side for years. Maybe this is, in part, a border protection exercise (although, I think we could roster a fairly large and well armed force of volunteer folks here for that task, given the right rules of engagement and logistical support.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameisgood View Post
    With the exception of a couple of military installations and Big Bend NP, there are no large tracks of federal land in Texas, (and not much state land). ...
    Then it should boggle the mind of liberty minded folks as to why Texans would suffer this exercise at all. Given that many Texans are subjected to daily harassment at the hands of the feds.

    http://www.texasobserver.org/border-...l-checkpoints/

    I have a high regard for the independent streak that each Texan seems to have, but my confidence in that independent streak being universal, through out Texas, is certainly on shaky ground when i read that some Texans see their fellow Texans as tinfoil hat wearing kooks.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...litia-members/

    I'm no tinfoil hat wearing yokel and the feds have been documented, too many time to count, as ignoring the constitution as they see fit.

    If some cops will violate the law knowing that they will not be held to account, just following orders, what evidence do you have that leads you believe a GI will not do the same thing.

    I too used to believe that government was benevolent, now the evidence to the contrary is too numerous to continue to hold this belief.

    The Bundy ranch incident is just but one example of the feds realizing that the days of We The People rolling over because Uncle Sam says "everything will be OK" are over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Then it should boggle the mind of liberty minded folks as to why Texans would suffer this exercise at all. Given that many Texans are subjected to daily harassment at the hands of the feds.

    http://www.texasobserver.org/border-...l-checkpoints/

    I have a high regard for the independent streak that each Texan seems to have, but my confidence in that independent streak being universal, through out Texas, is certainly on shaky ground when i read that some Texans see their fellow Texans as tinfoil hat wearing kooks.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...litia-members/

    I'm no tinfoil hat wearing yokel and the feds have been documented, too many time to count, as ignoring the constitution as they see fit.

    If some cops will violate the law knowing that they will not be held to account, just following orders, what evidence do you have that leads you believe a GI will not do the same thing.

    I too used to believe that government was benevolent, now the evidence to the contrary is too numerous to continue to hold this belief.

    The Bundy ranch incident is just but one example of the feds realizing that the days of We The People rolling over because Uncle Sam says "everything will be OK" are over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    ...which means the biggest danger in all of this is that one of the Navy SEALs will be accidentally shot by one of a near-infinite number of Texas yokels who see camouflage pants and promptly wet themselves and empties all 12 of his guns.
    Bet Texans buy more camo than yore state. Why doncha come out and lookit the oilwells in our backyards podner! I do need to check w our ranch manager in Lubbock and see if he leased out some of our surface land by Balmorhea for the exercises, but I suspect it would interfere with Concho O&G pumpjacks and separation tanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    ... They are not using force against their own citizens. They are conducting a training exercise. Their guns won't even have actual bullets in them, which means the biggest danger in all of this is that one of the Navy SEALs will be accidentally shot by one of a near-infinite number of Texas yokels who see camouflage pants and promptly wet themselves and empties all 12 of his guns.
    Liberals fail, always, to see the obvious answer right before their upturned noses. The answer resides in understanding individual liberty and holding a respect for individual liberty, liberals fail on this point every time.

    If the concern is that a SEAL could be shot by a local then don't send the SEAL in the first place.

    Thanks for the liberal view.
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    Not the first time there have been military exercises in Texas off base - 1938 1st Cav at San Solomon Springs near Balmorhea, TX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameisgood View Post
    I just hope no one spray paints "wolverines" on the overpasses
    Now that would be non-violent, passive aggressive, and very, very funny. By the by, the stencil could look like this........
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    They should hold the exercise out near "Bundyville".

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
    Not the first time there have been military exercises in Texas off base - 1938 1st Cav at San Solomon Springs near Balmorhea, TX.

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    They didn't have a Cruz to warn folks about the super secret nefarious plot to invade our own country and force Texans into hidden underground FEMA centers posing as Walmarts where they would be disarmed and gay married to Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    They should hold the exercise out near "Bundyville".
    Do you even know where is Cliven Bundy's property on New Gold Butte Road, near Bunkerville, Nevada? It is less than ten miles from territory liable to action in Jade Helm 15 and Bunkerville is near on the border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Do you even know where is Cliven Bundy's property on New Gold Butte Road, near Bunkerville, Nevada? It is less than ten miles from territory liable to action in Jade Helm 15 and Bunkerville is near on the border.

    https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=...7155/-114.2383
    Excellent! This will feed the paranoid fantasies of all those Bundyville residents and we can all watch how they over react.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post

    I thought for sure it was going to happen in Texas.
    Why in the world would you expect that? We may be fiercely independent, skeptical about outsiders, and well-armed, but we don't disrespect our military and we don't go around shooting at people doing their jobs and training to protect our interests overseas.


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