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    Arrested for photographing in Henrico

    There has been some discussion about if this is proper here or not. I'm going to post it and Grapeshot knows well I won't object if he nukes it.
    The man involved, ill just call him Kyle for now, is an OCer and was carrying when I talked to him the first time.
    He had wisely left his gun in the car when he photographed the FBI building, legally from Parham road.
    He did not show ID or even speak with police so they arrested him for obstruction of justice. His first court appearance was this morning.

    This is a very good video of what happened:


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    I'm not a fan of a number of PINAC things, but...

    http://photographyisnotacrime.com/20...hat-allows-it/

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    Is it possible that this represents Henrico PDs method of law enforcement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Is it possible that this represents Henrico PDs method of law enforcement?

    Given their history, I'd give it a definate. I'm starting to see the real problem in this country though, and the police are just a symptom.
    People other places are making excuses for this misconduct. It's OK because taking pictures could put us in danger.
    Demanding ID is ok because it keeps us safe...on and on.

    Homeland Security was sued in 2010 and entered into a consent decree because of photography.
    One of the officers involved told the photographer this:

    You know, I’ll just submit your name to T.L.O. [terrorism liaison officer]. Every time your driver’s license gets scanned, every time you take a plane, any time you go on any type of public transit system where they look at your identification, you’re going to be stopped. You will be detained. You’ll be searched. You will be on the F.B.I.’s hit list. Is that what you want? . . . Every time you move, you will be stopped and detained and searched. And delayed.”
    — Alleged statement of Deputy Richard Gylfie to Plaintiff Shawn Nee as he was photographing subway turnstiles (source).

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    The case appears to have been settled last year, but the settlement only approved by the LA Board of Supervisors — and thus announced by the ACLU — last week. It binds the County to pay the plaintiffs a collective $50,000 “in damages for physical injury and emotional distress” as well as $340,000 in legal fees and costs.

    http://hyperallergic.com/189808/la-c...or-harassment/
    It seems that I am not able to determine if Henrico leads or that LASD leads on this egregiously unprofessional and uncalled for behavior.

    Settlement...
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    Results of the hearing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carracer View Post
    Results of the hearing?
    It was just to determine if he had a lawyer, he does.
    Believe it or not, it appears the commonwealth intends to go forward.
    She didn't want to look at the video.
    Macon county has nothing on Henrico.

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    That officer has some pretty *****y situational awareness.
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    Hi OP here. Thanks Peter for sharing this.

    I have been a long time lurker here, just have never posted because I have had nothing but good experiences OCing in VA.

    I am a staunch libertarian, and a (part time) activist.

    I have a lawyer who is doing the criminal case pro bono for me. If this even gets to general district court I would be floored, but if the CA wants to play hard ball I am all for it.

    Anyways, if you have any questions feel free to ask. I am also planning to attend the OC dinner tomorrow night(unless work gets in the way).

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    It's clear that the photographer loves ISIS and probably burns american flags.
    Big thumbs up to the brave heroes that saved us from him.
    On a serious note, although this specific incident does not involve OC, if the victim asks for financial assistance I hope you'll relay that here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    It's clear that the photographer loves ISIS and probably burns american flags.
    Big thumbs up to the brave heroes that saved us from him.
    On a serious note, although this specific incident does not involve OC, if the victim asks for financial assistance I hope you'll relay that here.
    I did think it was relevant here for a couple of reasons. First, he is an ocer and wisely left it in the car while filming.
    Second and more important, we often refuse to show ID and refusing to answer questions is common for OC.
    Snake may need funding at some point but right now he appears to be OK.

    Welcome to the site Snake. I'll be following this closely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake6 View Post
    Hi OP here. Thanks Peter for sharing this.

    I have been a long time lurker here, just have never posted because I have had nothing but good experiences OCing in VA.

    I am a staunch libertarian, and a (part time) activist.

    I have a lawyer who is doing the criminal case pro bono for me. If this even gets to general district court I would be floored, but if the CA wants to play hard ball I am all for it.

    Anyways, if you have any questions feel free to ask. I am also planning to attend the OC dinner tomorrow night(unless work gets in the way).
    We post the good along with the not so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    That officer has some pretty *****y situational awareness.
    Sure does Jim. That's a great way to handle a dangerous terrorist suspect. Lol. It's obvious he was concerned for his safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake6 View Post
    Hi OP here. Thanks Peter for sharing this.

    I have been a long time lurker here, just have never posted because I have had nothing but good experiences OCing in VA.

    I am a staunch libertarian, and a (part time) activist.

    I have a lawyer who is doing the criminal case pro bono for me. If this even gets to general district court I would be floored, but if the CA wants to play hard ball I am all for it.

    Anyways, if you have any questions feel free to ask. I am also planning to attend the OC dinner tomorrow night(unless work gets in the way).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Rule #1: Don't discuss the case. Most of us already know that you shouldn't discuss the case, and thus wouldn't ask.

    But, in case somebody does ask: don't discuss the details of the encounter, your thinking, your motives, you intentions--nothing. Take Miranda vs Arizona to max: anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Litigators are already known to search social media for comments. Its been years since Massad Ayoob pointed out that the opposition can ask you in a deposition which social media sites you use.

    Don't say nuthin'. NOTHING! Don't originate a comment. Don't answer any questions. Just tell friends, family, and social member askers that if you answer their question, they could be subpoenaed to testify in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Sure does Jim. That's a great way to handle a dangerous terrorist suspect. Lol. It's obvious he was concerned for his safety.
    I lost count of how many times the officer took his eyes off the OP or simply turned his back. Good way to get your ass kicked by a suspect.
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    Nobody else has, so I will

    For all the folks (not just at OCDO) who have been clamoring for cops to start wearing body cams -

    look (not even too carefully) at where the lens of his camera is pointing. FOIA that video and I'll be a steak dinner against a donut that all you will get is a crotch shot.

    And in court the cop will be telling the truth (I hope) when he says he was not staring at the guy's crotch the whole time.

    Cameras the pin to the shirt have the same tendency to lean over and point towards the ground unless they have a "stabilizer" to offset that tendency. Very few of the shirt/chest mounted cameras have such.

    Like in most of life, just because it is technology does not mean it's going to solve problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    ... I'll be a steak dinner against a donut that all you will get is a crotch shot...
    LOL Done very rare. A la The Raw & the Cooked.
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    OK, the steak's in your corner. FOIA the video (as soon as it's no longer restricted because of ongoing persecution prosecution.

    No crotch shot, I'll go to your favorite steak place and not only pay for your hert'ds desire but sit there and watch to make sure you eat everything on your plate.

    OTOH, if there is a crotch shot you can send me a gift card to either Krispy Kreem or Dunkin Donuts.

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    OK, the steak's in your corner. FOIA the video (as soon as it's no longer restricted because of ongoing persecution prosecution.

    No crotch shot, I'll go to your favorite steak place and not only pay for your hert'ds desire but sit there and watch to make sure you eat everything on your plate.

    OTOH, if there is a crotch shot you can send me a gift card to either Krispy Kreem or Dunkin Donuts.

    stay safe.
    I like your thinking. Now how about getting a good 50 OCers if not more all with cameras? Oh and some AR-15s wouldnt hurt either. Show of force with the militia on standby. Of course being responsible gun owners the idea is also to avoid someone getting shot. Just a show of force to let the local police know kidnapping and assault is not tolerated. Oh and I actually called the police. Do I get a cookie Grape? :P
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    Snake 6: Welcome to the forum. I've been monitoring this story on reddit and YouTube. I seriously hope those officers both get to ride a desk for a while and are retrained on the Bill of Rights, especially the 4th and 5th amendments.
    Be active.

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    I think this activism could become very expensive. Some LEOs are fighting back at vloggers. One is even suing a Mechanicsville activist. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/13...online-claims/
    Be active.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty-or-Death View Post
    I think this activism could become very expensive. Some LEOs are fighting back at vloggers. One is even suing a Mechanicsville activist. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/13...online-claims/
    Non-starter. I've not seen the video due to a terrible connection but if it actually shows the crime then it's a slam dunk and the officer in question will get a slapping in court. Plus you have the 'little' issue of the 1st Amendment
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