• We are now running on a new, and hopefully much-improved, server. In addition we are also on new forum software. Any move entails a lot of technical details and I suspect we will encounter a few issues as the new server goes live. Please be patient with us. It will be worth it! :) Please help by posting all issues here.
  • The forum will be down for about an hour this weekend for maintenance. I apologize for the inconvenience.
  • If you are having trouble seeing the forum then you may need to clear your browser's DNS cache. Click here for instructions on how to do that
  • Please review the Forum Rules frequently as we are constantly trying to improve the forum for our members and visitors.

OT: Another attempted car-jacking is fatal for bad guy

utbagpiper

Banned
Joined
Jul 5, 2006
Messages
4,061
Location
Utah
As noted in the subject, this has nothing to do with OC nor even RKBA. That said...

Not that decent men ever celebrate the demise of a fellow human being, but perhaps criminals will start to get the message that car jacking is a very dangerous past time to pursue in the Beehive State.

KSL is reporting that a man has died after he was tasered in the very act of an attempted car jacking. The taser apparantly put him into cardiac arrest and after a week in an induced coma to assist with recover, he has passed.

Full article at link above. Excerpt:

KSL said:
...

UHP Lt. Chris Simmons previously said Gormley had attempted to carjack two vehicles after running away from an investigating trooper.

On his second attempt, he jumped into that vehicle on top of the lap of a 53-year-old woman and repeatedly punched her in an attempt to get her out of the car, Simmons said.

The woman was able to fight him enough that she prevented him from putting her car in gear and driving away. When the pursuing trooper caught up, he reached inside the car and deployed a Taser on Gormley. Backup troopers helped the woman get out of her car as Gormley continued to struggle with troopers. A Taser was deployed three more times before troopers were finally able to take him into custody.

...

Tests showed he was under the influence of methamphetamine and opiates at the time, according to the lieutenant.

...

Charles
 

MAC702

Campaign Veteran
Joined
Jul 31, 2011
Messages
6,331
Location
Nevada
Headline could read: Unarmed woman resists violent robbery; gets lucky.

Alternate headline: Cops' kill suspect with Tasers.

Outright shooting him would have been justified, so perhaps this was one of the truly appropriate uses of potentially lethal Tasers yet: to give a violent, actively dangerous suspect a last chance at survival. Oh well.
 

utbagpiper

Banned
Joined
Jul 5, 2006
Messages
4,061
Location
Utah
Headline could read: Unarmed woman resists violent robbery; gets lucky.

Alternate headline: Cops' kill suspect with Tasers.

Outright shooting him would have been justified, so perhaps this was one of the truly appropriate uses of potentially lethal Tasers yet: to give a violent, actively dangerous suspect a last chance at survival. Oh well.

She did get lucky. OTOH, that she put up a fight that kept him from driving off with her as a hostage, or even over her after she was forced from her car, and did so long enough for others to help should remind each of us that being disarmed (as offensive as that is) doesn't mean we are defenseless.

And it would be highly risky to the innocent victim for the police to [edit to correct]shoot the suspect while he sitting on top of the victim.

As for potentially lethal tasers, how do they compare to billy clubs in terms of likely risk of serious bodily harm? My guess--and it is just a guess--that a billy club is more likely to inflict injuries, while a taser is more likely to result in unintended death on the occasions that the person on whom it is used has some underlying medical condition. Does anyone have any papers on the subject?

Charles
 
Last edited:
Top