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    Guns for beginners and a reminder to "hotshots"

    I came across some sage advice in a series leveled to the person new to defensive carry. It is a short article and goes well with calming an FNG in their perception of "defense".

    Their are other articles in the series, but I have not, yet, reviewed them.
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...omment-2200932

    The correct expression is “shoot to stop the threat.” That’s what you’re trying to do when you perforate a perp. You are NOT trying to commit homicide, however justifiable that goal may be. Even if you’re aiming at the bad guy’s head or shooting him or her point-blank. You are shooting to stop the threat. To make a violent attacker – or potential violent attacker – cease and desist. And you’re only doing so when you or other innocent life face an imminent threat of death or grievous bodily injury. If you use the word “kill” in a firearms-related comment on the Internet, to friends or acquaintances with loose lips or, God forbid, to the police, you are . . ..............



    Of late I have seen some mildly rabid Open Carriers making rash statements. First Amendment Rules, yippie ki yay!! Remember this..........nothing, and I mean nothing ever "goes away" on the internet.
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    Stopping the threat.

    Sometimes just drawing the firearm will stop the threat
    Sometimes pointing it at the person will stop the threat
    Sometimes shooting them will stop the threat.
    Freedom is a bit like sex, when your getting it you take it for granted, when you're not you want it bad, other people get mad at you for having it and others want to take it away from you so only they have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix David View Post
    Stopping the threat.

    Sometimes just drawing the firearm will stop the threat
    Sometimes pointing it at the person will stop the threat
    Sometimes shooting them will stop the threat.
    Sometimes just OCing will stop the threat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix David View Post
    Stopping the threat.

    Sometimes just drawing the firearm will stop the threat
    Sometimes pointing it at the person will stop the threat
    Sometimes shooting them will stop the threat.
    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Sometimes just OCing will stop the threat!
    The four levels to "stop the threat" cool, I like that. Minimum to stop.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    "perp"?

    What is this, a Dirty Harry movie?

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    This can be a dangerous thread. I personally will shoot to kill if I ever have to do it.

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    I plan on curving the bullet around innocent bystanders and hitting the barrel of the bad guys gun 300yrds away.
    I seen it in a movie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriona View Post
    This can be a dangerous thread. I personally will shoot to kill if I ever have to do it.
    Yes it is in more ways then one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriona View Post
    This can be a dangerous thread. I personally will shoot to kill if I ever have to do it.
    and you have now provided fodder, on a public forum and for all eternity, to the prosecutor to use against you in a judicial situation in the event you are involved in a SD event...

    good job...

    hint you might wish to ask the moderator to delete your inflammatory comments to reflect...you would shoot to defend you and your loved one's lives or to shoot to stop the threat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    and you have now provided fodder, on a public forum and for all eternity, to the prosecutor to use against you in a judicial situation in the event you are involved in a SD event...

    good job...

    hint you might wish to ask the moderator to delete your inflammatory comments to reflect...you would shoot to defend you and your loved one's lives or to shoot to stop the threat...

    ipse
    Yeah, I am not worried. The court system is really easy to manipulate in your favor. It's all about wording, not facts.

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    ah.....

    ok then...

    brings to mind the proverb uttered by Henry Kett, 1814: ...observed the eminent lawyer, "I hestitate not to pronounce, that every man who is his own lawyer, has a fool for a client.

    ipse
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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    and you have now provided fodder, on a public forum and for all eternity, to the prosecutor to use against you in a judicial situation in the event you are involved in a SD event...good job...hint you might wish to ask the moderator to delete your inflammatory comments to reflect...you would shoot to defend you and your loved one's lives or to shoot to stop the threat...ipse
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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriona View Post
    Yeah, I am not worried. The court system is really easy to manipulate in your favor. It's all about wording, not facts.
    Don't let your hubris get the best of you.The court is favored toward the prosecutor, the judge and cops.There are innocent people in prison who thought they could outsmart the system. There are a lot more crooks who thought the same.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Don't let your hubris get the best of you.The court is favored toward the prosecutor, the judge and cops.There are innocent people in prison who thought they could outsmart the system. There are a lot more crooks who thought the same.
    I will just make sure my lawyer is very Jewish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriona View Post
    I will just make sure my lawyer is very Jewish.

    might wish to watch out for the pound of flesh award tho...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriona View Post
    Yeah, I am not worried. The court system is really easy to manipulate in your favor. It's all about wording, not facts.
    I'm glad a found this before I renewed my pre-paid legal service.

    So if it ever happens and I go to court I just need to state in a firm and victorious voice that what I did was totally legal and that the facts be damned, thrown down the microphone and walk out the front door a free man.
    Freedom is a bit like sex, when your getting it you take it for granted, when you're not you want it bad, other people get mad at you for having it and others want to take it away from you so only they have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriona View Post
    I will just make sure my lawyer is very Jewish.
    A lawyers ethnicity has what to do with it?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix David View Post
    I'm glad a found this before I renewed my pre-paid legal service.

    So if it ever happens and I go to court I just need to state in a firm and victorious voice that what I did was totally legal and that the facts be damned, thrown down the microphone and walk out the front door a free man.
    HERE HERE....

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    Please do not get confused between my personality & my attitude. My personality is who I am ~ my attitude depends on who you are and how you act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriona View Post
    Yeah, I am not worried. The court system is really easy to manipulate in your favor. It's all about wording, not facts.
    Yeah, same thing with casinos: Their systems are really easy to manipulate in your favor. That is why there are so many casino funded millionaires walking around.

    In truth, whether a casino or a courtroom, the odds are always stacked in favor of the house. Your Fifth Amendment right is the only equalizer you have.

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