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    Department of Social & Health Services denying right to open carry

    Went to the Kennewick CSO today at approximately 2:45 p.m. to conduct some business. As I was checking in, the security personnel & a couple of the administrative staff clearly announced for all to hear that I had to remove my sidearm to my vehicle as firearms are not allowed there in the building. How they approached it was in a threatening posture to me, especially since the security officer nearly knocked my wife over. I calmly explained to them that I was following the regulations as written in both the RCWs & WACs. However the response was they were above the law & could do whatever they wanted, though one administrator did say he'd look up the regulations.

    (All I was doing was standing to be signed in, with the sidearm holstered on my hip)

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    If they refuse to budge and won't admit you're right you'll need video/audio.

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    I will speak from experience on this one. The DSHS office in Tacoma has signs on their doors saying no weapons or firearms. I walk into and out of that building with no issues at all while open carrying. I have been asked to leave only once. After which, I was told flat out that I was free to come and go with no further hassles. I have since never even been stopped by security. If they have any signs or "policy" against weapons or firearms, they are in the wrong and unenforceable.

    Let them call the police. It is a public building owned by the state. You are violating no law and they cannot force you to leave nor can they trespass you for open carrying on the property or in the building. IF they even call the police, they are risking a lawsuit.
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    Call the SAF on this

    The SAF has put them on report a fews years ago. Please call and tell them.
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    If they refuse to budge and won't admit you're right you'll need video/audio.


    For what?

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    I know a lot of the acronyms/abbreviations for the state offices, but SAF is not one of those.

    I did go onto the main DSHS website & file a complaint, stating that nowhere in the RCWs or WACs does it say that it's not allowed to carry in the CSOs & also quoted them Article 1, Section 24 of the State Constitution.

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    The SAF has put them on report a fews years ago. Please call and tell them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnrobitaille View Post
    I know a lot of the acronyms/abbreviations for the state offices, but SAF is not one of those.

    I did go onto the main DSHS website & file a complaint, stating that nowhere in the RCWs or WACs does it say that it's not allowed to carry in the CSOs & also quoted them Article 1, Section 24 of the State Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Night View Post
    Let them call the police. It is a public building owned by the state. You are violating no law and they cannot force you to leave nor can they trespass you for open carrying on the property or in the building. IF they even call the police, they are risking a lawsuit.
    Citizenship is a Verb, mnrobitaille. You are the "injured party", what shall you do now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by massivedesign View Post
    SAF = The Second Amendment Foundation. They do a really good job of making sure govt doesn't step out of line. www.SAF.org
    Just got done writing a nice descriptive e-mail about the occurrence, & I reiterated in the e-mail that both the security personnel & administrators approached the situation aggressively.

    I do not see how the mere presence of a holstered firearm warrants an aggressive response, whereas another member of my party almost gets injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    For what?[/COLOR]
    The video/audio may be required for any complaint as the people who did this to them might deny they treated them a certain way or even asked them to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnrobitaille View Post
    I do not see how the mere presence of a holstered firearm warrants an aggressive response, .
    I believe a little research will give you a judge/judge like person used almost the exact same words.

    http://www.fedagent.com/case-law-upd...ard-of-seizure

    "More importantly, where a state permits individuals to openly carry firearms, the exercise of this right, without more, cannot justify an investigatory detention. Permitting such a justification would eviscerate Fourth Amendment protections for lawfully armed individuals in those states.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    I received a call back from the Kennewick CSO Administrator concerning the situation, & how the voicemail sounded, he was not pleased.

    Hopefully either tomorrow or Thursday I will be able to speak with him (hopefully in person).

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    Thumbs up good contact

    Had the contact with the Kennewick CSO Administrator via phone this afternoon. The response from him was that the situation was handled wrong & inappropriately. I explained to him again what happened, & that I was not the one causing the warranting alarm, but that the security officer & administration staff present were. He reiterated several times that he was sorry my constitutional rights were violated, & from the sounds of it, he'll be training/coaching the staff about the state regulations, as well as getting in contact with the security company to conduct additional training for their personnel.

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    hopefully, the county administrator will enjoy the security team they hired will be provided appropriate training to preclude another from experiencing what you did ~ one can hope!

    good job

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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    We have a new verb in our midst.
    Out*******standing job, Troop! This is what works. See a problem......act on it, and fix a problem. Again, good on you mate.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Out*******standing job, Troop! This is what works. See a problem......act on it, and fix a problem. Again, good on you mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mnrobitaille View Post
    Had the contact with the Kennewick CSO Administrator via phone this afternoon. The response from him was that the situation was handled wrong & inappropriately. I explained to him again what happened, & that I was not the one causing the warranting alarm, but that the security officer & administration staff present were. He reiterated several times that he was sorry my constitutional rights were violated, & from the sounds of it, he'll be training/coaching the staff about the state regulations, as well as getting in contact with the security company to conduct additional training for their personnel.
    Thats how it is done, welcome to the verbs, you are in good company BTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    We have a new verb in our midst.
    +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Out*******standing job, Troop! This is what works. See a problem......act on it, and fix a problem. Again, good on you mate.
    Ditto
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    An update

    I realize that this is technically a dead thread, but I've had to visit the Kennewick DSHS CSO a couple of times in the past few weeks. Each time I've walked in, that same security guard has been watching me & my family like we are the primary threats there & just waiting to pounce on us. (I have not tried OCing into the office since the incident) I've been CCing when having business there since & yet still feel like being treated like I'm being profiled for exercising RKBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnrobitaille View Post
    I realize that this is technically a dead thread, but I've had to visit the Kennewick DSHS CSO a couple of times in the past few weeks. Each time I've walked in, that same security guard has been watching me & my family like we are the primary threats there & just waiting to pounce on us. (I have not tried OCing into the office since the incident) I've been CCing when having business there since & yet still feel like being treated like I'm being profiled for exercising RKBA.
    Stop suckling from the government teat, for one.

    Start flexing your rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Stop suckling from the government teat, for one.

    Start flexing your rights.

    Also law study is good for the mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    You don't know why he was there. He doesn't need to explain why. Mind your own business.
    He posted his business.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    He posted his business.


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    No. He posted a relevant topic to open carry. Your post was impolite, inappropriate, and off topic.
    Stay on topic.
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