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    Arizona rated best state for gun owners - again!

    Arizona Rated #1 for Gun Owners!

    For the THIRD consecutive year Guns and Ammo magazine has rated Arizona as the #1 state for gun owners.

    States were measured by the following criteria:

    • Right To Carry.

    • Treatment of military style rifles (ARs, AKs, etc.).

    • Treatment of Class 3/NFA firearms.

    • Castle Doctrine/Stand Your Ground.

    • Miscellaneous issues such as constitutional protections, restrictions on gun or ammo purchases, magazine capacity, CCW reciprocity, etc.

    Arizona's three year #1 rating is because of AzCDL accomplishments.

    Prior to AzCDL’s involvement, the national pro-rights firearms organizations were content with the status quo in Arizona.

    Arizona’s CCW system was onerous and discouraged applications. Permits were only good for 4 years and required training, testing and additional fingerprinting to renew. Court cases narrowed the interpretation of open carry to a point where the only way to openly carry your firearm and avoid arrest was by having a CCW permit. In self-defense situations, the burden of proof was on YOU to prove your innocence – after you admitted to the “crime.” Firearms preemption was Balkanized. Cities like Tucson were able to ban firearms in their parks. Castle doctrine and “no duty to retreat” laws were weak.

    AzCDL was created by activists who were not content with the status quo

    AzCDL was established in 2005. That same year we experienced our first legislative success. By 2010 we achieved Constitutional Carry. CCW permits are now optional and the process to obtain a permit is more realistic. Arizona permits are recognized in the majority of states. Arizona is also one of the few states that recognize all permits from all states – again thanks to AzCDL.

    Because of AzCDL’s efforts, you are now “innocent until proven guilty” when defending yourself. Firearms preemption has been strengthened. Sheriffs can’t drag their feet on NFA applications – Arizona has a “shall sign” statute. We were even successful in getting the Arizona Constitution changed to protect law-abiding citizens from law suits when they defend themselves. Visit our Accomplishments and Why AzCDL web pages to learn more about what AzCDL has accomplished.

    We are proud that AzCDL’s efforts, with the support of our members, have again garnered this high rating for Arizona from a prestigious publication. However, from our perspective, there is a lot more that needs to be done to make Arizona truly a free state when it comes to honoring your constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. With your continued support we can achieve that goal.

    These alerts are a project of the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AzCDL), an all-volunteer, non-profit, non-partisan grassroots organization.

    AzCDL - Protecting Your Freedom.

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    I noticed Guns and Ammo doesn't seem to give open carry any weight in their rankings.
    If they did Idaho sure wouldn't be 32 and even in their current ranking system it should be higher.

    How many open carry states allow you to be in a over 21 establishment and be downright drunk while open carrying, with it being legal to do so?
    Gun buster signs have no force of law in Idaho, that's still an issue for some states like Arizona
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    The rankings are prejudiced by the staffs own views. (Oregon and Texas ahead of Idaho, yeah sure it is)

    Idaho should be more like Arizona, and Arizona should be more like Idaho. Both states have pro and cons in gun laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Freedom View Post
    ...states have pro and cons in gun laws.
    Yeah, these rankings have always been whatever the writers want them to be, and then they come up with criteria to make it so.

    I do something in NV everyday, as a normal course of my affairs, that would have me arrested in "free" AZ.

    This is NOT to take away from the great work done by AzCDL in making AZ better, that's for sure.
    Last edited by MAC702; 07-24-2015 at 01:23 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Yeah, these rankings have always been whatever the writers want them to be, and then they come up with criteria to make it so.

    I do something in NV everyday, as a normal course of my affairs, that would have me arrested in "free" AZ.

    This is NOT to take away from the great work done by AzCDL in making AZ better, that's for sure.

    Nevada in #22 spot, yeah right, more like in the top 10. These guys might as well get their data from Bloomberg for all the good it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Freedom View Post
    I noticed Guns and Ammo doesn't seem to give open carry any weight in their rankings.
    If they did Idaho sure wouldn't be 32 and even in their current ranking system it should be higher.

    How many open carry states allow you to be in a over 21 establishment and be downright drunk while open carrying, with it being legal to do so?
    Gun buster signs have no force of law in Idaho, that's still an issue for some states like Arizona
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    The rankings are prejudiced by the staffs own views. (Oregon and Texas ahead of Idaho, yeah sure it is)

    Idaho should be more like Arizona, and Arizona should be more like Idaho. Both states have pro and cons in gun laws.
    I saw that on another site and thought the same thing about Texas, which seems to be getting a lot of credit for a change in law that takes effect next January. Even then you need a permit to OC, which they must think is a good thing, since they ranked them quite a ways above Wisconsin, which has had no permit open carry since 1848. Maybe we were downgraded since we had no way to conceal until 2011?

    It's all in what you value in your rating system, and pretty much meaningless. I certainly don't take it personally. If you ranked cities by which ones had the most Hodags, (which I value pretty highly!!!!!!!!) I'm pretty sure that Rhinelander, Wisconsin would make everyone else look pretty silly. Just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Freedom View Post
    I noticed Guns and Ammo doesn't seem to give open carry any weight in their rankings.
    If they did Idaho sure wouldn't be 32 and even in their current ranking system it should be higher. How many open carry states allow you to be in a over 21 establishment and be downright drunk while open carrying, with it being legal to do so?
    Gun buster signs have no force of law in Idaho, that's still an issue for some states like Arizona. The rankings are prejudiced by the staffs own views. (Oregon and Texas ahead of Idaho, yeah sure it is). Idaho should be more like Arizona, and Arizona should be more like Idaho. Both states have pro and cons in gun laws.
    No state is perfect. Arizona has many things that need improving, but so does every other state.

    I lived in Virginia prior to moving to Arizona in 2002. I was appalled by the crappy gun laws when I got here. It was like moving to California as far as I was concerned. Rather than whine about it I took action and co-founded AzCDL and have been working to make things better for over a decade.

    When it comes to issues like Restaurant Carry and carrying in public buildings, Virginia stands head an shoulders above what we have here in Arizona. We (AzCDL) made lots of good changes that Guns & Ammo has recognized but there is so much more to do.

    You are either riding the steam roller or you are part of the road. Complaining about how some magazine rates your state's gun laws is not nearly as effective as working to change the laws within the state. And "working to change" is more than tossing a donation to someone and expect them to do the work. It means contacting legislators and getting others involved.

    /rant off

    Fred
    Last edited by azcdlfred; 07-24-2015 at 03:51 PM.

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