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    When is a weapon not a weapon?

    Been thinking about this some time now, & when businesses post signs saying "no weapons/weapons free" does that mean they are not wanting any patrons?

    The definition of a weapon is: a device which can cause bodily harm/injury. Does that mean no keys allowed as keys can be used as a weapon? A cane, walker, or crutches can be used as a weapon. A woman's handbag can be used as a weapon.......

    Anything & everything can be used as a weapon, so why have the signage banning weapons, when everyone is carrying a weapon?

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    Nothing is a weapon until it is used as one. A hammer is a tool to pound in nails to build a house. A hammer is a weapon when a person bashes in another persons skull in anger.
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    TSA rules allow 6" tools onto planes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnrobitaille View Post
    Been thinking about this some time now, & when businesses post signs saying "no weapons/weapons free" does that mean they are not wanting any patrons?

    The definition of a weapon is: a device which can cause bodily harm/injury. Does that mean no keys allowed as keys can be used as a weapon? A cane, walker, or crutches can be used as a weapon. A woman's handbag can be used as a weapon.......

    Anything & everything can be used as a weapon, so why have the signage banning weapons, when everyone is carrying a weapon?
    Bare hands/fists are weapons. It would be more accurate for them to post a 'no customers allowed' sign.

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    In light of the shooting of the mentally disturbing gentleman getting shot here in February, the question of what constitutes a weapon was posted to a letter to the editor in the Tri-City Herald.

    Is a rock a deadly weapon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Nothing is a weapon until it is used as one. A hammer is a tool to pound in nails to build a house. A hammer is a weapon when a person bashes in another persons skull in anger.
    By that line of thinking, a firearm/sidearm is a tool, if it's sitting in a holster. A firearm/sidearm is only a weapon when removed from the holster/brandished to instill fear, or removed from holster to be fired at a person or animal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    TSA rules allow 6" tools onto planes.

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    I saw what you did there.

    No I don't think it merits further discussion.
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    What about black powder? You can buy a BP pistol/rifle with out a BGC.
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    They probably mean "no tools designed to be used as weapons" or "devices constructed for the purpose of being useful as a weapon" or even "a tool or device that is especially adaptable for use as a weapon"
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Nothing is a weapon until it is used as one. A hammer is a tool to pound in nails to build a house. A hammer is a weapon when a person bashes in another persons skull in anger.
    But what if I use a hammer to bash in someone's skull while remaining calm and serene? Or joyful?

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    Some tools are designed as weapons hence will always be.
    Some tools are designed for other uses and are only weapons when used as one against its intended design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mnrobitaille View Post
    By that line of thinking, a firearm/sidearm is a tool, if it's sitting in a holster. A firearm/sidearm is only a weapon when removed from the holster/brandished to instill fear, or removed from holster to be fired at a person or animal.
    I recall an old Far Side strip, with a gunfighter looking to duel someone known for being handy with a gun...and there's the guy on his roof, holding his gun by the barrel, using it to pound nails.

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    Guns used as intended are tools designed to provide food, or prevent your own untimely death.
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