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    Mail....more government nonsense

    This man saves people mail from a carrier who was just tossing it.

    He is threatened with Federal Prosecution for being in possession of government property.

    http://www.myfoxla.com/story/2966514...nto-trash-cans
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    This man saves people mail from a carrier who was just tossing it.

    He is threatened with Federal Prosecution for being in possession of government property.

    http://www.myfoxla.com/story/2966514...nto-trash-cans
    So, the federal government owns all that is found in dumpsters then?

    As a juror, I would say "not guilty," about that guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    So, the federal government owns all that is found in dumpsters then?

    As a juror, I would say "not guilty," about that guy.

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    I stand with Freedom1Man. I don't remember the phrase exactly but the gist of it is this. If a local ordinance is written in such a way to probably benefit the local authority but NOT the local citizens of that area then it is merely a revenue collector and on the face of that alone it is a BAD ordinance. Based on this I'd vote the affected citizen not guilty. Perhaps if the locals vote this way often enough someone down at city hall might just realize it is time we strike down this ordinance and treat our citizens as ADULTS and not as errant children that need a spanking.

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    But without government, who would deliver mail?

    There is no practical way for mail to be delivered without government monopoly of the system and without coercive taxation to fund it. There's just no practical way. Please, stop with the idealistic impossibilities and just accept these immoral and illogical necessities. Unless you just want us to have no more mail, in which case we would surely plummet into anarchy, you uncivilized and immature purist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    So, the federal government owns all that is found in dumpsters then?

    As a juror, I would say "not guilty," about that guy.

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    Which contrary to a SCOTUS decision about who owns what once its thrown away.

    I just find it horrific that the Federal prosecutor instead of thanking the man and looking into it threatens the man for exposing someone who isn't even part of his agency.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    But without government, who would deliver mail?

    There is no practical way for mail to be delivered without government monopoly of the system and without coercive taxation to fund it. There's just no practical way. Please, stop with the idealistic impossibilities and just accept these immoral and illogical necessities. Unless you just want us to have no more mail, in which case we would surely plummet into anarchy, you uncivilized and immature purist.
    Spooner rolling over in his grave!
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by noname762 View Post


    I stand with Freedom1Man. I don't remember the phrase exactly but the gist of it is this. If a local ordinance is written in such a way to probably benefit the local authority but NOT the local citizens of that area then it is merely a revenue collector and on the face of that alone it is a BAD ordinance. Based on this I'd vote the affected citizen not guilty. Perhaps if the locals vote this way often enough someone down at city hall might just realize it is time we strike down this ordinance and treat our citizens as ADULTS and not as errant children that need a spanking.
    Which is the overwhelming amount of "laws". Revenue collection and control.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Where does it say he was threatened with federal prosecution?


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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    But without government, who would deliver mail?

    There is no practical way for mail to be delivered without government monopoly of the system and without coercive taxation to fund it. There's just no practical way. Please, stop with the idealistic impossibilities and just accept these immoral and illogical necessities. Unless you just want us to have no more mail, in which case we would surely plummet into anarchy, you uncivilized and immature purist.
    You gotta warn me before posting something like this.

    I just poured out half a glass of perfectly good scotch, thinking there was something wrong with it.




    (Lucky for you it wasn't very expensive. It was my weeknight scotch. So, you don't owe me very much. Less than a new keyboard. )
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Spooner rolling over in his grave!
    Damn, you beat me to it. I gotta stop using the pony express...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    You gotta warn me before posting something like this.

    I just poured out half a glass of perfectly good scotch, thinking there was something wrong with it.




    (Lucky for you it wasn't very expensive. It was my weeknight scotch. So, you don't owe me very much. Less than a new keyboard. )
    lol, I'm pretty proud of myself for that one
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    Quote Originally Posted by throck View Post
    Where does it say he was threatened with federal prosecution?


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    Watch the news report at the very end the anchor/reporter passes along that info.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Watch the news report at the very end the anchor/reporter passes along that info.
    Thanks. I was kinda wondering about that, too. But, was too lazy to ask.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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