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    Warning to Gun-Owners: Cross this bridge and go to jail


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    State specific issue - moving it.

    Published on Aug 9, 2015
    What would happen if a citizen in Pennsylvania is lawfully carrying a firearm and decides to take a walk across this small town bridge that connects two wonderful communities?

    Please be kind and do not provide blind links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    State specific issue - moving it.

    Published on Aug 9, 2015
    What would happen if a citizen in Pennsylvania is lawfully carrying a firearm and decides to take a walk across this small town bridge that connects two wonderful communities?

    Please be kind and do not provide blind links.
    State specific? This subject can be applied to many states, this video just happens to take place at one location, but as the video poster stated these type of laws are unjust. What about stepping into California from Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona, or even crossing a made up line from Vermont into New York while armed, far from state specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Freedom View Post
    State specific? This subject can be applied to many states, this video just happens to take place at one location, but as the video poster stated these type of laws are unjust. What about stepping into California from Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona, or even crossing a made up line from Vermont into New York while armed, far from state specific.
    The general subject might apply in various instances, but as worded does not.

    Again - blind links do no one a favor.
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    Yes, an excellent video

    EXCEPT

    it forces me to say something nice about NJ for providing a marker of where the firearms hoplophobia starts.

    It also shows the absolute need to know where you are, where you are going, and what the laws are in both places. With access to the internet via smartphone there is less excuse to check.

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    The same with Kentucky and Ohio. Kentucky Revised Statute 527.020(8) says that a loaded firearm stowed in the glove compartment is not concealed, concealed license or not. In Ohio that same firearm in the glove compartment without a concealed license is a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    ...Most states allow right turns on red lights, but in some states it is ticketing offense. It is up to you to know which is which. ...
    All 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico have allowed right turns on red since 1978 (Maryland was last in June), except where prohibited by a sign of course.

    Agreed with Grapeshot. The OP should start the discussion, and not post blind links.
    Last edited by MAC702; 08-13-2015 at 09:26 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Freedom View Post
    I liked the guard's responses. He obviously has a problem with the asinine laws "New Germany" has made to criminalize law abiding citizens' RKBA.



    I can see how this would apply to places around the country and not just the location where the video was made.
    Take the Arizona-Kalifornia border, for instance: not always marked very well, and some cities on the border are practically infested* with Kalifornians seeking to make the place as dreadful as their homeland.**


    *You read that correctly.
    **I've stopped referring to the People's Democratic Republic of Kalifornia and several other places as "states". Come to think of it, I don't think I even consider them to be part of the U.S. anymore, what with their love of draconian laws and Gestapo tactics for dissuading public discontent and nonconformity.
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    New Jermany lol
    I am not a lawyer, I study the history of gun control laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Exactly the point! IMHO, anyone who is unwilling or unable to read and understand the laws of the different localities where he will be carrying his firearm should not carry his firearm. It will ultimately lead him into legal difficulties. It is no different than with traffic laws. Just because the speed limit is 80 mph in your home state, doesn't mean you can drive 80 anywhere else. Most states allow right turns on red lights, but in some states it is ticketing offense. It is up to you to know which is which. With traffic laws you just pay a fine. With guns you could be in jail a long time.
    From a practical perspective, you are correct that we must know the laws or risk serious penalties.

    But from the perspective of enumerated, natural/constitutional/God-given rights, this is highly offensive.

    Speed limits are well marked and I don't need a different driver license every time I cross State lines. Right turns on red are legal nationwide except where expressly prohibited. Yes, some States (Massachusetts) choose to post most all of their intersections as "No Turn on Red". But the intersections are posted. Nobody is expected to keep a list of where a right turn on red is prohibited.

    And really, since driving is not a constitutionally enumerated right, it is a poor comparison to carrying a gun for self-defense.

    What if we had to keep a list of where it was illegal to wear a crucifix or offer a prayer to the "wrong" god? Maybe a list of which States banned possession of the Koran, King James Bible, Book of Mormon, Bhagavad-Gita, Communist Manifesto, or New York Times? How would we react, or expect congress to react if some States made it illegal for blacks to vote? Or refused access to an attorney before convicting someone of a serious crime?

    Yes. We need to know the laws to avoid unwanted penalties: just like blacks once needed to know where not to use the wrong drinking fountain. We also need to call a spade a spade and the modern Jim Crow of anti-RKBA laws needs to be called out for what they are: unconstitutional infringements of enumerated rights as well as rank, State imposed bigotry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    All 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico have allowed right turns on red since 1978 (Maryland was last in June), except where prohibited by a sign of course.

    Agreed with Grapeshot. The OP should start the discussion, and not post blind links.
    Not exactly(Quoted from here for New York State - http://www.safeny.ny.gov/trde-vt.htm#1111 ):

    § 1111. Traffic-control signal indications. Whenever traffic is controlled by traffic-control signals, other than lane direction control signal indications provided in section eleven hundred sixteen, exhibiting different colored lights, or colored lighted arrows, successively, one at a time or in combination, only the colors green, yellow and red shall be used, and said lights shall indicate and apply to drivers of vehicles and to pedestrians as follows:

    (snip)

    (d) Red indications:
    1. Traffic, except pedestrians, facing a steady circular red signal, unless to make such other movement as is permitted by other indications shown at the same time, shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, then shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or in the event there is no crosswalk, at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of the approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until an indication to proceed is shown except as provided in paragraph two of this subdivision.

    2. Except in a city having a population of one million or more, unless a sign is in place prohibiting such turn:
    a. Traffic facing a steady circular red signal may cautiously enter the intersection to make a right turn after stopping as required by paragraph one of this subdivision, except that right turning traffic is not required to stop when a steady right green arrow signal is shown at the same time. Such traffic shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians within a marked or unmarked crosswalk at the intersection and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection;
    Which means in NYC, you can't turn on red by default.
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 09-28-2015 at 05:16 AM. Reason: rule #19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho-born View Post
    Not exactly(Quoted from here for New York State - http://www.safeny.ny.gov/trde-vt.htm#1111 ):

    Which means in NYC, you can't turn on red by default.
    Good to know!
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    Research the auto window tint laws. There is a OCDO member, LEO from MA, who would (has?) issue a citation to out-of-state vehicles operators with OEM window tinting that is legal in their home state and not legal in MA.

    Moral of the story...avoid the north east...your livelihood (life?) may depend on it.
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