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    Judge repeats gun rights slogan during sentencing.

    "In giving probation with no jail time to a Milwaukee man charged with 55 counts of buying firearms with fake identification and dealing them without a license, a federal judge delivered a message:

    "People kill people," U.S. District Rudolph Randa said, echoing a common gun rights slogan. "Guns don't kill people."

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/m...322283481.html

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    I'm not quite sure what to make of that story, but it's good to know that all my trips to LA and my budding rap star status might come in handy some day!

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    So using fake IDs and knowingly being a straw purchaser only gets you probation? Why do we never throw the book at these criminals?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    So using fake IDs and knowingly being a straw purchaser only gets you probation? Why do we never throw the book at these criminals?!
    But....but....but, he din't know it was THAT serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    So using fake IDs and knowingly being a straw purchaser only gets you probation? Why do we never throw the book at these criminals?!
    It wasn't a crime before 1968. Oh well, sorry you love gun control so much.
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    Using a fake ID became a crime in 1968?

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    Kagan noted that according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, nearly half of its gun trafficking investigations involve straw purchasers.

    http://www.npr.org/2014/06/16/322650...-gun-purchases
    BATF and E Ironic that the esteemed Justice Kagan writes this with a straight face ...cough... Fast and Furious ...cough...

    She also ignores the antique/relic exception...I know, not apart of the case...whatever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    BATF and E Ironic that the esteemed Justice Kagan writes this with a straight face ...cough... Fast and Furious ...cough...

    She also ignores the antique/relic exception...I know, not apart of the case...whatever?
    Some people really s t r e t c h the Janis syndrome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Some people really s t r e t c h the Janis syndrome.
    Groupthink, formalized by Irving Janis psychologist at UCB and Yale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Groupthink, formalized by Irving Janis psychologist at UCB and Yale.
    Well, if he had spelled it correctly you would probably be saying the same things about the Romans - who stole it from the Greeks who stole it from ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Groupthink, formalized by Irving Janis psychologist at UCB and Yale.
    Maybe. Consider Occam's razor. Liberals and the advancement of liberalism. The dude broke a crappy law and gets a light sentence because the "aspiring rapper" is turning his life around...why interrupt his efforts.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    LOL Attempted thread-jack avoided. William of Ockham was a Christian and we know how the unwashed groupthink.

    There is also The Janis Joplin Syndrome that appeals, I am sure, to the psychophants[sic] here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    "In giving probation with no jail time to a Milwaukee man charged with 55 counts of buying firearms with fake identification and dealing them without a license, a federal judge delivered a message:

    "People kill people," U.S. District Rudolph Randa said, echoing a common gun rights slogan. "Guns don't kill people."

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/m...322283481.html

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    At a guess the judge probably convicted the man of the fake ID while ignoring the made-up 'crime' of dealing without a license.

    But this is concerning

    Mills purchased the firearms, usually at a Gander Mountain or Mills Fleet Farm store, with an identification that had an address that was different from his own. He tearfully told the court Wednesday he was "unaware of how serious" his offense was.
    Was the ID actually fake or did it just have an old address on it? If the latter then millions of us are criminals including me. I and others see zero point in paying the state to update an address that 99% of the time the LEO or whatever has no business knowing or more the average person checking ID in stores
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    Considering the victim of this "crime" the sentence was too harsh.
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