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    WDBJ murders called gun-grabber conspiracy hoax. KSGF hosts suspended.

    "Two Missouri morning radio personalities have been suspended after suggesting that the on-air slayings last month of two Virginia journalists was part of an elaborate conspiracy “intended to influence gun laws.”

    Host Joe Rios and his telephone screener, Rick Masters, made the comments during a Sunday morning call-in show, “Cracker Barrel,” just four days after WDBJ7 reporter Alison Parker and cameraman Adam Ward were fatally shot during a live interview,
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    Stations manager Rex Hansen said one of his employees said Aug. 30 that he believed the shooting was a hoax “to the degree that there might have been some thinking that it was intended to influence gun laws, so they fabricated the event,”..."

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ir-murders-of/

    http://www.news-leader.com/story/new...mera/71905502/

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2354841
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    Not that I agree with the statements made, but this is yet another piece of evidence that the First Amendment is under attack as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    Not that I agree with the statements made, but this is yet another piece of evidence that the First Amendment is under attack as well.
    The First Amendment applies only to governmental bodies and certainly not to private entities.
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    They spoke freely and the consequences flowed freely. No govt. involvement.

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    Had they been arrested for it, it would be a violation of the First Amendment.

    But if the station owner fires them for not representing his station as he sees fit, then, well, they can go get their own station and spout off all the conspiracies they want.

    Liberty applies to station owners and employers, too, not just loudmouths.
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    I agree no obvious government involvement. I do think though that this over reaction to the offensive speech gave credibility to something that would've been just considered nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    I agree no obvious government involvement. I do think though that this over reaction to the offensive speech gave credibility to something that would've been just considered nonsense.
    Not credibility, unless one is already unskeptical and credulous, maybe air-time/'oxygen'/attention.
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    If you ask me, the response was an under-reaction.

    I would be happier with a press conference announcing that because the station will not tolerate hate speech, and that two employees engaged in hate speech, they were terminated.

    No need to name names, Folks can figure them out, and as long as it's not the station management releasing individual personnel information there should be no problem with the press filling in the blanks.

    Something about some quote that goes something like 'Stand against it now before they stand you against the wall."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Had they been arrested for it, it would be a violation of the First Amendment.

    But if the station owner fires them for not representing his station as he sees fit, then, well, they can go get their own station and spout off all the conspiracies they want.

    Liberty applies to station owners and employers, too, not just loudmouths.
    The station owner is operating under (illegal) government permission. They must use the public airways for the good of the public. So they should never have been fired and because the (sic) owner is using thay which belongs to the public, should not be able to fire someone over that speech.

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    did someone mention O2 deprivation a couple of posts earlier?

    Freedom, what on earth are you saying...its not even close to April first and i missed any mention of your association with the ONION!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    The station owner is operating under (illegal) government permission. They must use the public airways for the good of the public. So they should never have been fired and because the (sic) owner is using thay which belongs to the public, should not be able to fire someone over that speech.
    The owner still owns the actual broadcasting station and can do as he wishes with his employees who represent him on the portion of the airwaves that he has purchased from the government.

    Now, if the government owned the broadcasting station, it would be a different story.
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    I don't claim to know exactly what DeShaine meant when he said "attack on the 1st amendment", but if we step back from the specific amendment and its prohibition on government action, to instead consider our nation's tradition of supporting a vigorous public discourse, a case can be made that this might be a case of an over-reaction to something mildly offensive.

    I only skimmed one of the linked articles, but I didn't see anything overly offensive. No worse than the usual 9/11 conspiracy theories that abound. And there can be little doubt that once a shooting like this occurs, the gun grabbers will (did) dance in the blood of victims to advance their cause.

    Nope. No government action in this case. But an evidence of a society that is getting selectively ever less tolerant (even as it is ever more tolerant of of porn and other overt filth) of the mildly offensive, non-PC, etc.

    Reminds me of a couple of recent threads here on college students taking offense too easily, micro-aggression, and provocative aggression I think it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    If you ask me, the response was an under-reaction.

    I would be happier with a press conference announcing that because the station will not tolerate hate speech, and that two employees engaged in hate speech, they were terminated.
    IMO "hate speech" is a made up term that can mean anything it is used in an attempt to silence someone when someone says something you don't
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix David View Post
    IMO "hate speech" is a made up term that can mean anything it is used in an attempt to silence someone when someone says something you don't
    Phoenix, you are correct and unfortunately the term is a part of a relatively new and pervasive schema flowing across the country centering around the concept called 'micro-aggression' which shuts down conversations individuals, groups, etc., do not wish to hear.

    quote: these hidden messages may invalidate the group identity or experiential reality of target persons, demean them on a personal or group level, communicate they are lesser human beings, suggest they do not belong with the majority group, threaten and intimidate, or relegate them to inferior status and treatment. unquote.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...more-just-race

    in some instances, these phenomenon have caused course curricula to be changed and professors to censured rightly or not just because someone, group, etc., disapproves.

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