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    University of Texas professors ban guns in classrooms despite campus carry law

    “We oppose guns in our classrooms as a direct assault on our free speech rights,” the petition states. “The University must be a safe place for people of all views and backgrounds to express their views WITHOUT FEAR.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ns-in-classro/
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    and so it begins in the lone star state...

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    Since when did self defense violate first amendment rights. How the hell did these guys become professors being that stupid?
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    Does not that stretch of the First Amendment cut both ways? Might not a legally armed citizen fear being disarmed?
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    The only way it makes sense is if the good(cough, cough) professors believe that violent criminal acts against law abiding citizens is free speech.
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    or the professors are worried the students will recognize their professors suck at adult education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    or the professors are worried the students will recognize their professors suck at adult education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    or the professors are worried the students will recognize their professors suck at adult education.

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    And the first time a kid is kicked out of the lecture hall, he will OWN all of that professors material possessions.
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    According to SB11, which goes into effect Aug. 1 of next year, “the president or other chief executive officer of an institution of higher education in [Texas] shall establish reasonable rules, regulations, or other provisions regarding the carrying of concealed handguns by license holders on the campus of the institution or on premises located on the campus of the institution. The president or officer may not establish provisions that generally prohibit or have the effect of generally prohibiting license holders from carrying concealed handguns on the campus of the institution.”
    OK fox guard the hen house. What is wrong with if you have a concealed handguns license you can carry to class, period? Pretty simple.

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    That is the way the legislature looks at it. The restrictions must be submitted to the legislature for review because they want oversight into what is reasonable. They were very specific during debate and had these convos transcribed into the record. The restrictions will be very limited. Things like "no carry into secure areas of psychiatric institutions" (for teaching hospitals.)


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    So, when someone imagines that they're under assault when they're really not, and uses force (in the form of prohibitions, albeit) against others based on those delusions, isn't there a name for that? I'm pretty sure there is...


    Freedom from fear is no right - freedom to use force against anyone or anything that you decide to be afraid of is no right. You can be afraid of anything you choose.
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    The market can decide. If you don't like the restrictions, go elsewhere. You cannot equate shooting someone out of fear, to placing a preemptive restriction out of fear. In one instance, there is notice and a chance to change course before harm is done. In the other, it's too late once it's done. Restrictions are a relative molehill. Shooting someone is a mountain.
    Making such a comparison is like saying that carrying a gun is equivalent to shooting children, they are NOT the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    “We oppose guns in our classrooms as a direct assault on our free speech rights,” the petition states. “The University must be a safe place for people of all views and backgrounds to express their views WITHOUT FEAR.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ns-in-classro/
    Professors say that the university must be a safe place for people of all views and backgrounds to express their views without fear, while university police arrest pro-2a citizens for holding up pro-2a signs on campus. It is as 2-faced and hypocritical as it could possibly be.

    Another thing... Umm, professor, you should be able to exercise your right to free speech ANYWHERE IN PUBLIC, not just on campus, and ironically, most campuses limit free speech more than it is limited in public in general! So, no, people should not have "more" free speech on campus, they should be able to exercise their right to free speech fully anywhere in public, and secondly, currently, many campuses grossly limit free speech. So, in other words, professor is full of ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    Professors say that the university must be a safe place for people of all views and backgrounds to express their views without fear, while university police arrest pro-2a citizens for holding up pro-2a signs on campus. It is as 2-faced and hypocritical as it could possibly be.

    Another thing... Umm, professor, you should be able to exercise your right to free speech ANYWHERE IN PUBLIC, not just on campus, and ironically, most campuses limit free speech more than it is limited in public in general! So, no, people should not have "more" free speech on campus, they should be able to exercise their right to free speech fully anywhere in public, and secondly, currently, many campuses grossly limit free speech. So, in other words, professor is full of ****.
    Ugh. This is important.

    The problem is that these jackasses only want the illusion of free speech for the position they agree with and not everyone.

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    Student protester photo from Idaho last year - not UT campus.

    Here is article from Daily Texan
    http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2015...n-campus-carry


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    I need to get a rent check from UT - didn't know the University had sold/rented classrooms to Professors - 'my classroom'. Typical Govt/History/English Profs agitating.

    OR simulcast shooting should bring some reality back to 'academic' vacuous arguments being made on plaza where many people were killed by Whitman 50 years ago.


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    The anti- websites have many threads about how "I had my concealed handgun but wasn't about to engage the shooter because SWAT would have killed me if I did". They are also saying that this campus allowed carry and many students were carrying. Neither claim is true, but some people think lies are better than truth. And once said on the Internet, these things must be true.


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    The important point to remember is that NO professor has any authority to ban guns in any classroom under the new law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glockster View Post
    The important point to remember is that NO professor has any authority to ban guns in any classroom under the new law.
    some believe while in the sanctity of their classroom, they rule supreme and are arrogant little dictators with complete authoritarian power over the students. it is a mindset fostered by the high educational system for centuries.

    there is a semblance of truth in the adage ~ those that can do - those that can't teach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    some believe while in the sanctity of their classroom, they rule supreme and are arrogant little dictators with complete authoritarian power over the students. it is a mindset fostered by the high educational system for centuries.

    there is a semblance of truth in the adage ~ those that can do - those that can't teach.

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    I understand your point, but a dictator is only a dictator as long as they are allowed to be a dictator. They can have any mindset that they want but when it comes time for the new law to be effective, carry away and there is not a thing that they can do about it. I think that we're going to see a lot of things like that as the actual date gets nearer, and it's going to make the news. I think that it will also be interesting to see what else happens - right now the TX AG has posted front and center on his official web page a form for folks to utilize to report political subdivisions that are violating the law by posting 30.06 signage...his way of putting them on notice I think that it won't be tolerated. Perhaps we'll see similar things happen with campus carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glockster View Post
    I understand your point, but a dictator is only a dictator as long as they are allowed to be a dictator. They can have any mindset that they want but when it comes time for the new law to be effective, carry away and there is not a thing that they can do about it. I think that we're going to see a lot of things like that as the actual date gets nearer, and it's going to make the news. I think that it will also be interesting to see what else happens - right now the TX AG has posted front and center on his official web page a form for folks to utilize to report political subdivisions that are violating the law by posting 30.06 signage...his way of putting them on notice I think that it won't be tolerated. Perhaps we'll see similar things happen with campus carry.
    truly...the institutes of higher education do not follow the community's law now for reporting rapes, nor mental health issues, e.g., VA tech shooter, the Aurora shooter they knew these individuals were unstable but failed to notify outside authorities...and until FED funds are threatened...your AG is powerless to enforce what a professor does in the classroom...

    good heavens, even the universities can't terminate a 'tenured' professor without the pope interceding in the proceedings. (sarcastically stated of course)

    as a student...complain and your course's grade suffers...which affects your GPA ...which affects their entering graduate or advanced level studies...

    you hold on to your belief the AG will be able to force his way on the university professor...

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    ad nauseam: remember your legislature also believes the nice texas LEs won't harrazzes your citizens OC'g to check to see they have a privilege card either...oh look the easter bunny hopp'g by...precious.

    ps squared...do you have your privilege card already...if so join the bandwagon to oc on the first...
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    If I were obeying the law and legally carrying a concealed handgun, how would the "professor" know? If the professor asked me, I could either remain silent or answer truthfully since I would not lie. If by my silence the professor determined that I was carrying concealed and ordered me out of the classroom, I would not go since I was not breaking the law. If by my truthful answer the professor ordered me out of the classroom, I would not go since I was not breaking the law. If the professor refused to "teach" because I would not leave the classroom, the professor would be in violation of his/her/its contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elm Creek Smith View Post
    If I were obeying the law and legally carrying a concealed handgun, how would the "professor" know? If the professor asked me, I could either remain silent or answer truthfully since I would not lie. If by my silence the professor determined that I was carrying concealed and ordered me out of the classroom, I would not go since I was not breaking the law. If by my truthful answer the professor ordered me out of the classroom, I would not go since I was not breaking the law. If the professor refused to "teach" because I would not leave the classroom, the professor would be in violation of his/her/its contract.

    People need to take a stand is all I'm saying.
    Elm, your use of the word "IF" but remember you at the university level you are on private educational property. why would the course instructor ask in the first place. if the professor, as the mgmt of that area at that point in time requested you leave, for whatever rational they deemed appropriate at the moment, you either leave or i am sure the nice security force would escort you out.

    violation of their contract? really you went there? you forced the class disruption keeping them from 'teaching'...which is why the nice security guard is escorting you out of the classroom.

    finally, what are you going to do to a tenured individual, associate, or even an adjunct..go to the chair? or Dean? VP of academic affairs? Registrar? you will discern you are no longer enrolled and oh Elm, we have notified FedLoans you are not enrolled any more so you better arrange payment schedule before you are in default...oh wait, you're going to enroll in another institute of higher education after being thrown out of one...good luck with that Elm.

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    It's called going to court, solus, since the professor violated state law. If the administration backs the professor, they just might be standing before the judge, too.

    I completed my formal education decades ago, but one can always take a class or two to stay sharp. And, I don't need to borrow money to take a class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elm Creek Smith View Post
    It's called going to court, solus, since the professor violated state law. If the administration backs the professor, they just might be standing before the judge, too.

    I completed my formal education decades ago, but one can always take a class or two to stay sharp. And, I don't need to borrow money to take a class.

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    Elm, glad your formal education has been completed, apparently w/o disciplinary issues. you'll might take a look at the higher educational's student handbook students must adhere to after paying money to participate in a crappy educational system....

    violated state law? Elm, sorry you have a cite for that apparent wayward statement...state statutes do not control an educator's classroom activities any more than the higher educational institution does...so please enlighten the forum membership...eh, i was going to wait but will continue for a moment to allow you research your cite so you can to get back to me.

    and by the way, civil courts won't and do not care what goes on in the classroom unless the aggrieved can prove title IV grievances across the board...

    additionally, watch in an emergency situation while in a classroom who wins directing your activities ..it isn't you Elm, even if you have your trusty firearm, but rather the individual in charge of the classroom...the educator, your professor!!! oh the same one who can throw your arse out based on their perspective of disruptive within their classroom.

    thanks for providing a cite for violation of state law about what we are discussing..

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