mnrobitaille
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Has anyone ever encountered a business where the Corporate Office has put out a nationwide "Gun-Free/Weapon-Free Zone" policy, but the local unit has no problems/issues with firearms being allowed?
Has anyone ever encountered a business where the Corporate Office has put out a nationwide "Gun-Free/Weapon-Free Zone" policy, but the local unit has no problems/issues with firearms being allowed?
I was not gonna start naming businesses. I was just curious if anyone has encountered a business where the corporate office says "Gun-Free/Weapon-Free" but the local unit has no signage posting such & the staff seem not to care.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that even though there's no signage indicating that a business is a GFZ, that they can ask you to leave for lawfully carrying.
I see it as if there's no signage, it is allowed. But the law says otherwise.
It's simple, because it's a private business, they can ask you to leave. They don't have to give you a reason at all for asking you to leave either. Refusal to leave is treated as trespassing.
A business open to the public cannot deny services due to their personal beliefs (see all the rulings concerning LGBT). A person's civil rights can not be infringed upon unless they are making themselves to be a nuisance (just the presence of a holstered sidearm, does not classify as being a nuisance).
I can see places which have membership terms & conditions (Costco, Sam's Club, BJ's Wholesale, etc.) having policies in place as technically those establishments are not open for the general public.
They don't have to post a sign stating every possible thing that could cause them to ask you to leave their property. No building would be large enough to hold such a sign. They can ask you to leave for being left handed, if they want to or the way you smell or your hair cut or your clothes or no reason at all, just for being you.
Personally, I see no need for those laws, and actually find them rather wrong. Perhaps it's my belief in the free market. I feel if Store C doesn't wish to cater to group A they should not be forced to do so. Group A will go elsewhere, as will any other groups who support group A or don't agree with Store C's decision not to cater to group A. If group A, their supporters, or Store C's critics, or any combination thereof is large enough, store c will go out of business or change their mind. Each is their own decision to make, and I feel it is their right to make such decisions. Having .gov force you to do something you're against smell awful of tyranny to me.
Actually with the Anti-Discrimination policies written how they are, a business cannot technically ask a person to leave based on: race, gender, national origin, color, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, or disability. So say a Gay African American Baptist with Spina Bifida confined in a wheelchair wanted to have a bite to eat at Joe Blow's, the personnel may have personal beliefs that disallow them from serving him as a customer. However due to those Anti-Discrimination laws, they must serve him.
As was the case for Arlene's Flowers in Richland or that bakery in Oregon, both refused to provide services for a Gay Marriage Ceremony as the LGBT lifestyle was against the business owner's personal beliefs. Both businesses are open to the general public. In both court cases it was found that the personal beliefs of the owners did not matter, as they provide those services that they were trying to deny to the general public. The ability to marry whomever you like is classified as a Civil Right/Civil Liberty, the Right to Keep & Bear Arms is also classified as a Civil Right/Civil Liberty.
...I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that even though there's no signage indicating that a business is a GFZ, that they can ask you to leave for lawfully carrying...
Has anyone ever encountered a business where the Corporate Office has put out a nationwide "Gun-Free/Weapon-Free Zone" policy, but the local unit has no problems/issues with firearms being allowed?
IMO I think you are thinking to hard on this.
Assuming you are not an employee of said company, do you know all the corporate policies and procedures when relate to the operation of remote offices, is there a corporate policy that allows local units to not enforce or require adherence to particular policies? Perhaps the local unit is operating under a franchise contract or partnership agreement with clauses that you don't know about
I for one don't care what a company policy is as I am not an employee of the company, if they do not have the required signage I will go about my business
The right of forced inclusion/participation.
It is a byproduct of the "entitlement culture" that has blossomed over the past several years.
Yep some just don't get it they want the government to force private individuals to associate with other individuals.
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Having .gov force you to do something you're against smell awful of tyranny to me.