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    Open Carry Bill Proceeding

    All it needs now is for the Governor to sign it.

    Florida Report: Open Carry Bill Passes 1st House Committee 10-6-2015

    DATE: October 6, 2015
    TO: USF & NRA Members and Friends
    FROM: Marion P. Hammer
    USF Executive Director
    NRA Past President



    Today, Tuesday, October 6, 2015, the House Criminal Justice Committee held a hearing on HB-163 by Rep. Matt Gaetz The bill PASSED by a Vote of 8-4.

    HB-163 is a bill to allow persons with a Concealed Weapons & Firearms License to carry firearms concealed or openly.

    Sheriff Wayne Ivey (Brevard) and representatives of Sheriff Charlie Creel (Wakulla) expressed support for the bill at a press conference with bill sponsors Sen. Don Gaetz and Rep. Matt Gaetz, before the committee meeting. Among other sheriffs who have expressed support for open carry are Sheriff Gordon Smith (Bradford) and Sheriff Chris Nocco (Pasco).

    Voting FOR the bill were Republican Reps. Carlos Truijillo, Dennis Baxley, Jay Fant, Gayle Harrell, Ray Pilon, Scott Plakon, Ross Spano and Charles Van Zant.

    Voting AGAINST the bill were Democrat Reps. Randolph Bracy, Dave Kerner and Sharon Pritchett -- Rep. Clovis Watson did not vote.

    The only Republican to vote against the bill was Chris Latvala (R-Clearwater).

    BACKGROUND:

    This bill will prevent CW license holders from being charged with the crime of violating the "Open Carry" law because a concealed firearm, being legally carried, accidentally or inadvertently became visible to another person.

    According to our attorneys, allowing license holders to carry openly is the only way to truly keep them from being arrested and/or prosecuted for violating the open carry ban if firearms are accidentally and unintentionally exposed.

    IT IS UNFORTUNATELY TRUE that anytime you are carrying a concealed firearm you are in danger of being charged with a crime and treated like a criminal if your firearm accidentally becomes exposed to the sight of another person and law enforcement is called.

    In 2011, we attempted to fix that problem. We supported language that clearly says it is NOT a violation of the open carry ban "for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense."

    Not only did that language NOT stop the abuse. It has gotten worse.

    In one case, a young man was arrested when his firearm was accidentally and unintentionally exposed. Someone saw it and called 911. It took law enforcement 5 minutes to arrive. They arrested him because they said 5 minutes wasn't brief. It didn't matter that it was accidental and unintentional. He was prosecuted and convicted.

    In another case a man was arrested, and convicted because the accidental and unintentional exposure of his firearm was for only 2 minutes.

    Further, it has been reported that State Attorney Angela Corey's office in Jacksonville says that exposure isn't brief, if it is more than an instantaneous glance before being covered up again.

    And to make matters worse, there is a case pending on a motion for review before the Florida Supreme Court -- because a lower court didn't think a young man was dressed appropriately to hide a gun when it accidentally became visible.

    Concealed Weapons License holders whose firearms are seen by others seem to be targets in some jurisdictions.

    This bill will only allow persons who have a license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm to carry concealed or openly. All of the provisions of the concealed carry law apply to those who chose to carry openly. Including:

    * You must have your license on you at all times when carrying and you must show it to a law enforcement officer who asks if you have a license.

    * You cannot carry a long gun -- rifle or shotgun -- concealed or openly under this law.

    * You cannot carry concealed or openly onto private property of any business or person who choses to prohibit it.

    * You cannot carry openly in any place where concealed carry is prohibited.

    THANK YOU for your email and phone calls to Committee members. Taking a few moments to communicate with Legislators is very important.

    Email addresses of the Committee members are below.

    carlos.trujillo@myfloridahouse.gov,
    charles.vanzant@myfloridahouse.gov,
    dennis.baxley@myfloridahouse.gov,
    Jay.Fant@myfloridahouse.gov,
    gayle.harrell@myfloridahouse.gov,
    Chris.Latvala@myfloridahouse.gov,
    ray.pilon@myfloridahouse.gov,
    Scott.Plakon@myfloridahouse.gov,
    Ross.Spano@myfloridahouse.gov,
    Randolph.Bracy@myfloridahouse.gov
    Dave.Kerner@myfloridahouse.gov,
    Sharon.Pritchett@myfloridahouse.gov,
    Clovis.Watson@myfloridahouse.gov

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    Moved the above post from another thread where it was off topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    This article from the Tampa Bay Times says that there are more House committees yet to hear this bill and no mention of the Fl. Senate is made. Sounds like it is a long way from the Governor's desk. I'd like to see it pass, but it doesn't sound like its a done deal yet.
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...earing/2248583
    yeah dude- i believe it passed the first hurdle today...and there's a bunch more ahead.

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    Well..... we have a bill to legalise something there is already a prohibition against government infringing. We have three Senators who need prosecuting for voting illegally to stop something that is a guaranteed right and we have stories of the assault and kidnap of people who accidentally OCd, possibly with the added crime of extortion if they were fined. I guess you can see why I have no faith in a justice system that commits crimes against citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    Well..... we have a bill to legalise something there is already a prohibition against government infringing. We have three Senators who need prosecuting for voting illegally to stop something that is a guaranteed right and we have stories of the assault and kidnap of people who accidentally OCd, possibly with the added crime of extortion if they were fined. I guess you can see why I have no faith in a justice system that commits crimes against citizens.
    WE? Is there a Florida resident mouse in your pocket or something?





    legalise something there is already a prohibition against government infringing.
    That's a deeply simplistic statement.
    No Florida appellate court, nor the Florida or US Supreme Courts have made such a determination. (In fact one DCA recently ruled the exact opposite.*) Not that I don't agree with you, but no one in any position to do anything about it, legally, has agreed with us yet.

    We're working on it.

    * The Florida Supreme Court just announced that it is accepting jurisdiction, on constitutional grounds, the Norman Open Carry case.
    Last edited by notalawyer; 10-07-2015 at 02:39 AM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    This article from the Tampa Bay Times says that there are more House committees yet to hear this bill and no mention of the Fl. Senate is made. Sounds like it is a long way from the Governor's desk. I'd like to see it pass, but it doesn't sound like its a done deal yet.
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...earing/2248583
    Still a very very long way. We've been down this road before; fortunately, the right people are in place this time. Whether they'll do the right thing or shelve it is a different story. Let's hope the momentum keeps up.

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