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    FBI Profiler, Lanza & Harper-Mercer mother bonds similar, and guns.

    Mother-son bond over guns similar in Oregon, Connecticut slayings
    "The deadly shooting last week at an Oregon community college has an eerie parallel with the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School that killed 20 pupils and six adult staff members in 2012.

    Like Adam Lanza, the gunman in the Connecticut massacre, Christopher Harper-Mercer was living a mostly solitary life with a mom who shared his fascination with firearms.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ond-over-guns/

    https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl...TYdsZed-lmVQeM
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    It's a tragic, mentally deranged circle here. You have some guns. You're afraid Obama will come and take them. You buy more guns to protect your guns. You're afraid Obama will come and take those too. Your only recourse is, of course, buying more guns (the NRA business model). And the 2nd Amendment says (in your interpretation) that your mentally ill son has the right to "bear" these arms in case he needs to rise up against the govt. Frequent mass murders are a small price to pay to insure that crazy folks have the tools to resist their govt., or kill a bunch of people quickly, which ever comes first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    [ ... ] And the 2nd Amendment says (in your interpretation) that your mentally ill son has the right to "bear" these arms ... [ ... ]
    Where in your interpretation of the Second Amendment does it, the Second Amendment, prohibit arms to the mentally ill?

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Where in your interpretation of the Second Amendment does it, the Second Amendment, prohibit arms to the mentally ill?

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Liberals count themselves as the final arbiters of who is, and who is not, a member of "the people."
    Others have suggested that liberal-socialism is a mental disorder, and I would extend that to progressivism - doing the same old thing over and over for centuries, expecting anything different while being surprised by the same old effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Where in your interpretation of the Second Amendment does it, the Second Amendment, prohibit arms to the mentally ill?

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    Somewhere under the "well regulated" part of the amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    Somewhere under the "well regulated" part of the amendment.
    Sorry, that's all there is, right there in black and white. Further, modern jurisprudence moots the prefatory clauses well-regulated and militia-necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Sorry, that's all there is, right there in black and white. Further, modern jurisprudence moots the prefatory clauses well-regulated and militia-necessary.
    So the authors of the Constitution would be OK with "modern jurisprudence" rendering some of their carefully worded amendment moot? That's what I love about a living document, the ability to change what the founders meant to match the times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    So the authors of the Constitution would be OK with "modern jurisprudence" rendering some of their carefully worded amendment moot? That's what I love about a living document, the ability to change what the founders meant to match the times.
    Considering the 'common use' meaning of "Well regulated militia", at the time of the writing of the 2nd was, to paraphrase since I'm not in the mood to look it up ATM, "Well trained, drilled, or instructed in the use of tactics and equipment available." the 2nd, in plain language of today would read "To ensure that there are enough people well trained in the use of weapons to fill out a proper militia, the right of the public to own, carry, and use firearms shall not be prohibited in any way."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJack View Post
    Considering the 'common use' meaning of "Well regulated militia", at the time of the writing of the 2nd was, to paraphrase since I'm not in the mood to look it up ATM, "Well trained, drilled, or instructed in the use of tactics and equipment available." the 2nd, in plain language of today would read "To ensure that there are enough people well trained in the use of weapons to fill out a proper militia, the right of the public to own, carry, and use firearms shall not be prohibited in any way."
    And we must remember that "at the time", America didn't have the most powerful standing armed force in the history of the world, hence the need to fill out a proper militia. I don't think the founders would have accepted a Lanza or whatshisname as well train, drilled or instructed in the use of tactics as part of their militia.

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    LOL These were Eighteenth Century farmers, not blond-blue-eyed Hessian mercenaries. IOW, yokels, like Bobby B.
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    The experience of community and civil defense goes further back!

    Read the context and explication of Rembrandt van Rijn's 1642 The Night Watch, better known as Militia Company of District II under the Command of Captain Frans Banninck Cocq also known as The Shooting Company of Frans Banning Cocq and Willem van Ruytenburch.

    Unfortunately they had only Arquebus long-guns, but they also carried bows and crossbows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Read the context and explication of Rembrandt van Rijn's 1642 The Night Watch, better known as Militia Company of District II under the Command of Captain Frans Banninck Cocq also known as The Shooting Company of Frans Banning Cocq and Willem van Ruytenburch.

    Unfortunately they had only Arquebus long-guns, but they also carried bows and crossbows.
    They were probably pretty selective about who they let in. Village idiots need not apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    They were probably pretty selective about who they let in. Village idiots need not apply.
    Yes, the Schuttersgilde Schutterji were wealthy enough to afford weapons and assemblies. The officers were required to be members of the state church.

    Public servants, the minister, teachers, physician, and beer-bearers and peat-bearers were required to participate in the fire brigade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    Somewhere under the "well regulated" part of the amendment.
    Who let the liberal in the room?

    You don't seem to me someone that uses this site as a resource, but are here as a heckler. Maybe someone should show you the door.

    In case you are just abyssmally ignorant, the "well-regulated militia" means drilled often (weekly, on Sundays after church back then, 5 schilling fine if you did not show up with your musket and some number of charges).

    Well regulated today people take in a different meaning under different context, I suspect it was even gradually crafted that way to alter the common use of words to undermine basic rights.

    "Right of the people..." means individual right. Not a collective right as some liberals would suggest (their socialism is showing). The Bill of Rights did not delineate rights of the states, but of the people. States are government and as such have powers, not rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    Somewhere under the "well regulated" part of the amendment.
    This right here confirms that liberals are not interested in facts, nor figures. Truth is the cure for the virus that is liberalism. Those infected need only to read what The Founders wrote to find the cure. Yet, liberals are not interested in liberty and the writings of The Founders is of little interest to them.
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    Can't really go by what the founders wrote anymore because everyone seems to have their own interpretation of what the words meant back then and how they can't possible mean the same today.

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    That is because hermeneutics is too tough a word to understand or even spell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    That is because hermeneutics is too tough a word to understand or even spell.
    how dare you, i consider myself androgyne, not one of those!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxxon View Post
    In case you are just abyssmally ignorant, the "well-regulated militia" means drilled often (weekly, on Sundays after church back then, 5 schilling fine if you did not show up with your musket and some number of charges).
    Militia = every able bodied male between ages 17 and 45. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311

    Mandatory training every Sunday is NOT required.

    Full context, well regulated is like a Swiss clock. Every piece in place and working right.

    That means 'arms' are of military grade, capable of defending the country.

    We have a Right to machine guns. We have the Right to whatever other hand held weapon that the military uses now, and in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    That is because hermeneutics is too tough a word to understand or even spell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    It's a tragic, mentally deranged circle here. You have some guns. You're afraid Obama will come and take them. You buy more guns to protect your guns. You're afraid Obama will come and take those too. Your only recourse is, of course, buying more guns (the NRA business model). And the 2nd Amendment says (in your interpretation) that your mentally ill son has the right to "bear" these arms in case he needs to rise up against the govt. Frequent mass murders are a small price to pay to insure that crazy folks have the tools to resist their govt., or kill a bunch of people quickly, which ever comes first.
    well it is cheeper than continually buying BMWs for our mentally ill off springs to run down the streets of Isla Vista cuz he can't find a girl friend!!

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