the mentality expressed by Vegassteve in his latest post's paragraph # 3 is why any push for a consistent, across this country, application of 2A is hodgepodge at best and why the bloomberg's national group is succeeding.
as i have stated out here numerous times...individual state's grass roots entities, some states have multiple, will not and cannot succeed or maybe with a singular state entity might possibly experience marginal and extremely limited success on their push. this is because of the mentality expressed by vega of 'we have to reinvent our approach cuz what do the outsiders know about our 'unique' situation?'
btw there are a couple of state entities doing well, AZ being one of them!!
first, you (meaning those in charge of the state level entities) folks (those belonging to the entities holding their leaders accountable) do not know nor do not even have a game plan of what you want let alone what outcome you are seeking...and please spare me the 'we want 2A' rhetoric ~ concrete, written down, unemotionally expressed, non-subjective, quantifiable objectives w/measurable results.
second how you going to finance it?
third how you going to implement your plan?
quietly celebrate your victory.
while there are grumblings, nobody has stepped up and disassociated themselves from the national gun organizations who are not your friends!!
bloomberg knows each state on their own is incapable of reaching any type of national consensus on firearms and as such keeps his group(s) nit picking in ALL the states stirring up enough emotionalism to spin the locals carrying the flag to spin their wheels essentially doing nothing cuz there is clear objective nor is their a clear unemotionally conceived PLAN!
MI apparently is an excellent example...three or more groups are fighting amongst themselves right now as evidenced by the posts on just this venue, on what to do.
FL's GR group wants money because those in organizationally in charge have blatantly reached and accepted the conclusion to push their legislature to give them OC with a privilege card.
NC's GR group a year or so ago, openly expressed they are only for those 'sane, sober, & law-abidin', citizens to CC. oh and Class III provisions to pursue with the our legislation.
i shan't even discuss TX's grassroots multiple organizational LGOC fiasco to finally get OC... by the hair on their chinny chin chin ~ attached to their state's profit center privilege card. i shall refrain to the conversation still remaining where the nice LE have (will) be stopping lone star citizens OC's to assure the citizen's papers are in order.
now those who's feelings are hurt cuz they feel their efforts are for naught and as they turn into joining the other naysayers are rolling out ~ let me point out ladies and gentleman, case in point there is one group who has gone against the strongest opposition known on this planet, stronger even than bloomberg's panty group, as well as successfully challenged and changed state level as well as national laws as they succeeded in reaching their national goals quietly over the last 20 years. nationally, they bit on the beast a bite at a time until it was eliminated, defeating the state by state establishment to implement their nationally devised plan. they stepped out within the last three with the greatest goal which they succeeded when the nation's highest court ruled in their favor.
keep up with the 'squirrel type inconsequential distractions' coupled with the bloody organizational infighting at your local level(s) and continue ignoring the methodology someone used to at least get the establishment's attention resulting on their being on the defence.
unfortunately, i do not need a crystal ball to foresee the outcome of your efforts...
ipse.
as i have stated out here numerous times...individual state's grass roots entities, some states have multiple, will not and cannot succeed or maybe with a singular state entity might possibly experience marginal and extremely limited success on their push. this is because of the mentality expressed by vega of 'we have to reinvent our approach cuz what do the outsiders know about our 'unique' situation?'
btw there are a couple of state entities doing well, AZ being one of them!!
first, you (meaning those in charge of the state level entities) folks (those belonging to the entities holding their leaders accountable) do not know nor do not even have a game plan of what you want let alone what outcome you are seeking...and please spare me the 'we want 2A' rhetoric ~ concrete, written down, unemotionally expressed, non-subjective, quantifiable objectives w/measurable results.
second how you going to finance it?
third how you going to implement your plan?
quietly celebrate your victory.
while there are grumblings, nobody has stepped up and disassociated themselves from the national gun organizations who are not your friends!!
bloomberg knows each state on their own is incapable of reaching any type of national consensus on firearms and as such keeps his group(s) nit picking in ALL the states stirring up enough emotionalism to spin the locals carrying the flag to spin their wheels essentially doing nothing cuz there is clear objective nor is their a clear unemotionally conceived PLAN!
MI apparently is an excellent example...three or more groups are fighting amongst themselves right now as evidenced by the posts on just this venue, on what to do.
FL's GR group wants money because those in organizationally in charge have blatantly reached and accepted the conclusion to push their legislature to give them OC with a privilege card.
NC's GR group a year or so ago, openly expressed they are only for those 'sane, sober, & law-abidin', citizens to CC. oh and Class III provisions to pursue with the our legislation.
i shan't even discuss TX's grassroots multiple organizational LGOC fiasco to finally get OC... by the hair on their chinny chin chin ~ attached to their state's profit center privilege card. i shall refrain to the conversation still remaining where the nice LE have (will) be stopping lone star citizens OC's to assure the citizen's papers are in order.
now those who's feelings are hurt cuz they feel their efforts are for naught and as they turn into joining the other naysayers are rolling out ~ let me point out ladies and gentleman, case in point there is one group who has gone against the strongest opposition known on this planet, stronger even than bloomberg's panty group, as well as successfully challenged and changed state level as well as national laws as they succeeded in reaching their national goals quietly over the last 20 years. nationally, they bit on the beast a bite at a time until it was eliminated, defeating the state by state establishment to implement their nationally devised plan. they stepped out within the last three with the greatest goal which they succeeded when the nation's highest court ruled in their favor.
keep up with the 'squirrel type inconsequential distractions' coupled with the bloody organizational infighting at your local level(s) and continue ignoring the methodology someone used to at least get the establishment's attention resulting on their being on the defence.
unfortunately, i do not need a crystal ball to foresee the outcome of your efforts...
ipse.
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