Greentop door person shoots self

The Truth · Oct 17, 2015

I just OC'd at Greentop yesterday. No issue. I've never been questioned or stopped going in there, and I go in there very often always OC. How is it you guys have such a polar opposite experience with them?

Also, really weird story. Interested in hearing more witness testimony. Too early to call the guy a dunce?

peter nap · Oct 17, 2015

The Truth said:
I just OC'd at Greentop yesterday. No issue. I've never been questioned or stopped going in there, and I go in there very often always OC. How is it you guys have such a polar opposite experience with them?

Also, really weird story. Interested in hearing more witness testimony. Too early to call the guy a dunce?

Never had a problem oc either. The problems have been with demanding receipts and general stupidity by their security people.
The person that assaulted me was not security BTW.

Grapeshot · Oct 17, 2015

peter nap said:
Never had a problem oc either. The problems have been with demanding receipts and general stupidity by their security people.
The person that assaulted me was not security BTW.

So why would said security person be handling a customer's loaded gun if the job for which he was hired entailed checking sales receipts?

The Truth · Oct 17, 2015

See, I always check out up front no matter what I'm buying. I never even knew they checked receipts because it's never happened to me. Come to think of it I did pay for a knife at the back once. Don't remember being checked though.

Unfortunate incident. I still don't understand how the heck it happened. That's right at the front door. My little one rode in one of those red plastic car-carts yesterday. Why was a loaded gun being handled there? I've seen deputies hanging out at the entrance plenty of times but not lately. I'm confused. This could have been a heck of a lot worse.

I could only imagine my surprise if I were exiting at the same time.

solus · Oct 17, 2015

query...you showed the EMS on scene...were the police there?

foia?

ipse

peter nap · Oct 17, 2015

solus said:
query...you showed the EMS on scene...were the police there?

foia?

ipse

They had a Deputy there all day working. He was standing 2 feet from the fellow that shot himself.

scouser · Oct 17, 2015

Grapeshot said:
So why would said security person be handling a customer's loaded gun if the job for which he was hired entailed checking sales receipts?

could it have been one of those "I'm bringing this in to have some work done on it" "ok well I need to check it's unloaded first" scenarios ?

FBrinson · Oct 17, 2015

scouser said:
could it have been one of those "I'm bringing this in to have some work done on it" "ok well I need to check it's unloaded first" scenarios ?

Green Top and Bass Pro both request to check all firearms brought into the building if the purpose is for service or selling. Holstered personal defense firearms are not checked. (from my understanding and experience)

scouser · Oct 17, 2015

FBrinson said:
Green Top and Bass Pro both request to check all firearms brought into the building if the purpose is for service or selling. Holstered personal defense firearms are not checked. (from my understanding and experience)

that's why I was wondering

HPmatt · Oct 18, 2015

Inquiring minds want to know?

Maybe management knew the 'checker' needed a paramedic 5' away - did they know how this guy performed his gun clearing 'technique'.

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skidmark · Oct 18, 2015

peter nap said:
They had a Deputy there all day working. He was standing 2 feet from the fellow that shot himself.

Was that the deputy who is supposed to arrest folks for shoplifting if they refuse to show their receipt? Never could find out if they were "on duty" or working a private security gig in uniform.

Wonder if it might have been the same deputy who put up his hands and walked away from where the checker was trying to physically block me from leaving while I was challenging him to arrest me if he thought I was shoplifting?

stay safe.

TFred · Oct 18, 2015

skidmark said:
Was that the deputy who is supposed to arrest folks for shoplifting if they refuse to show their receipt? Never could find out if they were "on duty" or working a private security gig in uniform.

Wonder if it might have been the same deputy who put up his hands and walked away from where the checker was trying to physically block me from leaving while I was challenging him to arrest me if he thought I was shoplifting?

stay safe.

I know this is OT... but man you have hit upon one of my major pet peeves. Once you buy something, it is YOURS. Unless someone has an articulable reason to suspect that you actually stole something, they have no more right to demand a receipt as you walk out as they would in the parking lot of the store, or in the parking lot of another store, or on a public street, or in your own home!

Of course a store can ban you for not following their "policy" so that's the risk you take by refusing to play their game.

Other than the big box membership stores - although I have skipped a long line there too, on occasion - whenever I am asked for a receipt, I give them the "Office Space walkaround," without even breaking stride.

[video=youtube;3qifUYP234c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qifUYP234c[/video]

TFred

solus · Oct 18, 2015

TFred said:
I know this is OT... but man you have hit upon one of my major pet peeves. Once you buy something, it is YOURS. Unless someone has an articulable reason to suspect that you actually stole something, they have no more right to demand a receipt as you walk out as they would in the parking lot of the store, or in the parking lot of another store, or on a public street, or in your own home!

Of course a store can ban you for not following their "policy" so that's the risk you take by refusing to play their game.

Other than the big box membership stores - although I have skipped a long line there too, on occasion - whenever I am asked for a receipt, I give them the "Office Space walkaround," without even breaking stride.

[video=youtube;3qifUYP234c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qifUYP234c[/video]

TFred

i was complaining to local Walmart manager earlier this week about the exactly same thing and was told Walmart Corp is working towards instituting the same receipt check concept they use at their SAMs club venues. from the manager's candor, i do not believe it was bravado on their part as they seemed as frustrated about instituting the policy as their customer's will be having to endure the practice.

ipse

Grapeshot · Oct 18, 2015

solus said:
i was complaining to local Walmart manager earlier this week about the exactly same thing and was told Walmart Corp is working towards instituting the same receipt check concept they use at their SAMs club venues. from the manager's candor, i do not believe it was bravado on their part as they seemed as frustrated about instituting the policy as their customer's will be having to endure the practice.

ipse

Walmart has tried this before to no ones benefit. Failed and now being brought back. Isn't that the definition of insanity?

TFred · Oct 18, 2015

solus said:
i was complaining to local Walmart manager earlier this week about the exactly same thing and was told Walmart Corp is working towards instituting the same receipt check concept they use at their SAMs club venues. from the manager's candor, i do not believe it was bravado on their part as they seemed as frustrated about instituting the policy as their customer's will be having to endure the practice.

ipse

What are they going to do, chase me out into the parking lot and assault me?

TFred

solus · Oct 18, 2015

TFred said:
What are they going to do, chase me out into the parking lot and assault me?

TFred

two weeks ago they notified store security on their handitalks and was concerned a) license plates would be recorded. b) local LE notified. c) report taken

ipse

skidmark · Oct 18, 2015

solus said:
two weeks ago they notified store security on their handitalks and was concerned a) license plates would be recorded. b) local LE notified. c) report taken

ipse

Time to quit scrunching up the receipt and dropping it on the floor next to the cash register.

Chase me. Have me arrested. Say hello to my attorney. [/Al Pacino voice]

stay safe.

solus · Oct 18, 2015

skidmark said:
Time to quit scrunching up the receipt and dropping it on the floor next to the cash register.

Chase me. Have me arrested. Say hello to my attorney. [/Al Pacino voice]

stay safe.

didn't have to work too hard on the voice mimic either...nice...:lol:

ipse

Liberty-or-Death · Oct 18, 2015

peter nap said:
That's exactly right Marco. I have no 1st amendment rights on private property.. the owner makes the rules. I don't like being pushed though, especially when I'm in no shape to push back.

I do not waive my rights when crossing retail thresholds. My presumption is all my rights are retained while on private property just as while on public. If I'm informed prior to entry, I can make an informed decision prior to entering.

If I'm informed otherwise after crossing that invisible line (i.e.: changing the rules in the middle of the game), then I'll comply. If they attempt in any way to interfere with my rights before informing me (i.e.: block the camera, disarm me, use force against me) our after informing me but before I can comply, then my rights have been violated.

They did you wrong, even before shoving you.

ProShooter · Oct 18, 2015

peter nap said:
I don't like being pushed though, especially when I'm in no shape to push back.

Elder abuse!!!

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