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    Police: Pastor shoots, kills attacker in church

    A Detroit church service turned tragic today when a man with a brick went after the pastor, but likely didn’t anticipate what would follow: the pastor pulled out a semiautomatic pistol and fatally shot the man, police said.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/2015...urch/74197876/
    Pastor remains in custody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Pastor remains in custody.
    Citizen's defensive shooting: Arrest now, investigate later.
    LEO's defensive shooting: Investigate for six months, then arrest if unavoidable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Pastor remains in custody.
    The pastor may not have been innocent of instigation. He is alleged to have been porking the shooter's ol' lady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    The pastor may not have been innocent of instigation. He is alleged to have been porking the shooter's ol' lady.
    Confused? The pastor was the shooter.

    .....been porking giving spiritual instruction to the shooter's other's ol' lady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Confused? The pastor was the shooter......been porking giving spiritual instruction to the shooter's other's ol' lady.
    Right, the bricklayer's ol' lady.
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    When I first read it, I wondered if deadly force was absolutely necessary at the time the trigger was pulled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxman View Post
    When I first read it, I wondered if deadly force was absolutely necessary at the time the trigger was pulled.
    A mere citizen does not suffer a proportional force or continuum of force requirement in the employ of deadly force. A citizen should use force sufficient only to deliver himself from evil, that the perp may take the celestial dirt-nap is unfortunate.
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    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...vice/74190782/

    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...art_river_home


    Regardless of whose baby it was, and despite the possibility that a little violation of commandments VII and X might be going on, doesn't give the attacker the right to come at someone with a brick. I think the pastor was right in this, even though it adds commandment VI to his uh-oh list.
    Guard with jealous attention the public liberty.
    Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel.
    Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force.
    Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxman View Post
    SNIP Citizen's defensive shooting: Arrest now, investigate later.
    Hey! Quit tryin' to get me arrested!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    some nonsense about throwing bricks and glass houses comes to mind...

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    A citizen should not live in a glass house - makes everything visible to others.
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 10-19-2015 at 08:26 PM. Reason: fixed
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxman View Post
    Citizen's defensive shooting: Arrest now, investigate later.
    LEO's defensive shooting: Investigate for six months, then arrest if unavoidable.
    Technically it is a "The officer was justified...but, we'll go ahead and investigate anyway. Why, cuz it is a little box on the report that needs to be checked, a administrative exercise, nothing more."
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Gentlemen, we are crossing an anti LEO line here.

    Chesterfield PD has not been extreme for sweeping the dirt under the carpet.
    What on earth are you referring to? Chesterfield PD? Is there a Chesterfield PD in Detroit? anti-LEO? Where? Are you in the wrong thread?
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    What on earth are you referring to? Chesterfield PD? Is there a Chesterfield PD in Detroit? anti-LEO? Where? Are you in the wrong thread?
    Yep, wong thread. My bad. Deleted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    I think the pastor was right in this, even though it adds commandment VI to his uh-oh list.
    Well, is he in the right, or did he violate the do not murder clause?

    ("Thou shalt not kill" is a horrible mistranslation.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxman View Post
    ... ("Thou shalt not kill" is a horrible mistranslation.)
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    Bricklayer's cousin says Pastor was Bricklayer's mentor?

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ing-assailant/


    The rumors kind of remind me of the Pastor in "M*A*S*H Goes to Maine", whom a parishioner found 'marriage counseling' his wife and ended the counseling session by sticking a miniature flagpole in his chest. The minister and his wife did so much 'marriage counseling' around the town that they were responsible for about half the gonorrhea cases in the area.

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    You are 100% correct and there is enough evidence to think the Pastor set the guy up for this confrontation prior to it happening, this is why he was arrested.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    The pastor may not have been innocent of instigation. He is alleged to have been porking the shooter's ol' lady.

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    Mentor someone so you can do his wife and church member a very creepy Pastor at best.



    Quote Originally Posted by taxman View Post
    Bricklayer's cousin says Pastor was Bricklayer's mentor?

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ing-assailant/


    The rumors kind of remind me of the Pastor in "M*A*S*H Goes to Maine", whom a parishioner found 'marriage counseling' his wife and ended the counseling session by sticking a miniature flagpole in his chest. The minister and his wife did so much 'marriage counseling' around the town that they were responsible for about half the gonorrhea cases in the area.

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