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    Positive move for michigan

    Folks your ability to carry in GFZs will be permitted if this bill passes. Couldn't get the link to function!

    “Enhanced Carry” Bill Making Waves in Michigan
    BY TIM SCHMIDT - USCCA FOUNDER
    Tim Schmidt
    With nearly every mass shooting recently—and throughout history—occurring in a gun-free zone, there's been a resurging dialogue among law-abiding concealed carriers urging politicians to eliminate these crime-targeted areas once and for all.

    And in Michigan, it looks like people are listening.

    According to guns.com, “A pair of bills in the state Senate that would swap the current ability for permit holders to open carry in Michigan pistol-free zones for the right to concealed carry, won approval in committee Tuesday.”

    It’s high time we put that argument—and gun-free zones across the country—to bed where they belong.

    Take Care and Stay Safe,

    Tim Schmidt
    Publisher - Concealed Carry Report
    USCCA Founder
    --Mod provided link to read the full article--
    http://jpfo.org/articles-2015/enhanc...n-michigan.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider View Post
    Folks your ability to carry in GFZs will be permitted if this bill passes

    https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/la...9oo#6056915146
    A link to Yahoo mail login?

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    Thanks, but no thanks. donotwant.jpg

    Repeal 28.425o and be done with it. No need to create new bills that cause even more confusing carry laws, criminalize OC and create more CPL disqualifications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    A link to Yahoo mail login?
    Sorry about that. I don't know how to delete it. I tried the USCCA but instead got yahoo. Mod can you fix this??

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    Burn that bill to the ground and scatter the ashes. It's one of the worst pieces of legislation to go through Lansing in years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    Burn that bill to the ground and scatter the ashes. It's one of the worst pieces of legislation to go through Lansing in years.
    What is wrong with that bill?

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    Michigan 2015 SB 442

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...5-SIB-0442.pdf

    A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled
    "An act to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
    possessing, and carrying of certain firearms, gas ejecting devices,
    and electro-muscular disruption devices;

    to prohibit the buying,
    selling, or carrying of certain firearms, gas ejecting devices, and
    electro-muscular disruption devices without a license or other
    authorization;

    to provide for the forfeiture of firearms and
    electro-muscular disruption devices under certain circumstances;

    to provide for penalties and remedies;

    to provide immunity from civil liability under certain circumstances;

    to prescribe the powers and duties of certain state and local agencies;

    to prohibit certain conduct against individuals who apply for or receive a license to
    carry a concealed pistol;

    to make appropriations;

    to prescribe certain conditions for the appropriations;

    and to repeal all acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act,"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider View Post
    What is wrong with that bill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fozzy71 View Post
    Thanks, but no thanks. donotwant.jpg
    Repeal 28.425o and be done with it. No need to create new bills that cause even more confusing carry laws, criminalize OC and create more CPL disqualifications.
    repealing 28.425o would accomplish the same thing (and more) and not create any new/more laws/penalties
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    Who comes to an OC forum to plug for Green's bill to outlaw OC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Law abider View Post
    What is wrong with that bill?
    This craptastic bill was written in response to a bunch of paranoid chicken little types freaking out over parents who OC in their children's schools and people in public libraries. It seeks to make current license holders pay more OR wait till they renew in order to get the "exemption" that would allow CC in GFZ's.

    It's a kneejerk reaction that does nothing but trod on LAC's abilities and rights in the name of supposed safety. It will do absolutely nothing to prevent mass casualty incidents. It makes no proviso for accidental showings of firearms. It allows for mob retaliation if someone knows you have a gun and are in the school, doesn't agree with it, and then lies saying that you showed your weapon.

    In short, it imposes an undue burden on carriers for zero tangible good effect.
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    “A pair of bills in the state Senate that would swap the current ability for permit holders to open carry in Michigan pistol-free zones for the right to concealed carry, won approval in committee Tuesday.”

    Is this a joke?
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    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxman View Post
    Who comes to an OC forum to plug for Green's bill to outlaw OC?
    someone from a different state that doesn't understand our laws here and why we dont need more/these new laws
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    Quote Originally Posted by fozzy71 View Post
    someone from a different state that doesn't understand our laws here and why we dont need more/these new laws
    And when this thread was started, the third most recent thread in this subforum was titled "Alarmed, with good reason! Senator Green's Senate Bill 442 criminalizes Open Carry"

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    You are referring to USCCA, not the reference to the bills described in the OP.
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    “Enhanced Carry” Bill Making Waves in Michigan

    By Tim Schmidt - USCCA Founder. October, 2015A
    Free Report From The Publishers Of Concealed Carry Magazine • Issue No. 43

    http://jpfo.org/articles-2015/enhanc...n-michigan.htm
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    Ugh. I am fully for the elimination of GFZ's but this... this is NOT the way to do it. All this is.... it's some shmuck pandering to the libtards who wrong their hands and cry anytime someone says "boo" around a child. Lest we forget, elections are next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    You are referring to USCCA, not the reference to the bills described in the OP.
    The OP is a copy and paste from a USCCA alert.
    I linked a thread about the USCCA and the alert's author to show that they are not without controversy.

    But the point isn't whether or not Schmidt's organization is good for CC activism, the real point is that a bill to placate CCers while throwing OC under the bus doesn't even do that well, and there's stuff in it that's bad for CC.

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    Just another person asking for permission to do what you have always have had the right to do and to agree to limit our RKBA.

    Don't support gun laws; doing so indicates that you agree that the government can regulate.

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