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    Proposed Hearing Protection Act

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015...protection-act

    Holy crap, the NRA does something good for a change!

    Prevailing regulations requires buyers to send an application to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), pay a $200 tax, and pass an arduously time consuming ATF background check. Under Salmon’s bill there will be no application, no tax, and buyers would be required to pass the same National Criminal Instant Background Check (NICS) as law-abiding guns owners.
    While I don't agree with the NICS part, the rest of it is awesome.

    http://americansuppressorassociation...-from-the-nfa/

    The HPA also includes a provision to refund the $200 transfer tax to applicants who purchase a suppressor after October 22, 2015.
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    perhaps this could help bring the price of suppressors down?

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    How is a suppressor like a long gun?
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    A suppressor would make my pistol longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griz View Post
    perhaps this could help bring the price of suppressors down?
    Check the prices in the countries where they are legal they are cheap/

    They are easy to make a CNC lathe mill can turn out the parts in short order.
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    There are lies behind the current regulations on suppressors. It will take years for this legislation to pass, if it ever does. There are no lies or even an attempt at excusing the regulations on SBR's, the anti's can't think of a reason really. So for the life of me I can't see why they don't add SBR's to the hearing protection act. The SBR thing goes back to when they were trying to ban handguns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    How is a suppressor like a long gun?
    Depends on the style, load and other factors.

    They work.
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    While I don't agree with the NICS part, the rest of it is awesome.



    Most likely only from dealers they are not hard to make. parts kits might need a bit of work like 80 percent receivers just easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    There are lies behind the current regulations on suppressors. It will take years for this legislation to pass, if it ever does. There are no lies or even an attempt at excusing the regulations on SBR's, the anti's can't think of a reason really. So for the life of me I can't see why they don't add SBR's to the hearing protection act. The SBR thing goes back to when they were trying to ban handguns.
    Well have to start some place
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    H.R.3799 - Hearing Protection Act of 2015

    Hi all,

    I was just watching a video on youtube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O6seyqPU_F0 about this new bill that a "pro gun group" is trying to pass. Im wondering what you all think about the possibility of it passing. Should be a good topic up for debate.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...m-suppressors/

    On October 22 Representative Rep. Matt Salmon (R-AZ)88%
    (R-AZ-5) announced the Hearing Protection Act (HPA), a bill aimed at removing suppressors from National Firearms Act oversight so Americans can more easily acquire them for hearing protection while target shooting or hunting.
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    There is no legitimate reason for noise suppressors to be regulated to the point that they are.

    I think it is a great idea.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rscottie View Post
    There is no legitimate reason for noise suppressors to be regulated to the point that they are.

    I think it is a great idea.


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    I'll strengthen the statement to: "There is no legitimate reason for noise suppressors to be regulated!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    I'll strengthen the statement to: "There is no legitimate reason for noise suppressors to be regulated!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    --clipped-- Might these threads be merged?
    Just did so and adapted the title to better fit both.
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    The current regs are so onerous that even suppressors for air rifles fall under the same rules. In the air rifle world, sometimes they are referred to as LDCs (lead dust collectors).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    A suppressor would make my pistol longer.
    Physically yes, legally no...you pistol would still have the same length (unless you welded it on).


    In respect to the law...I cannot support it ..... as supporting it would acknowledge that they can regulate ... which I do not support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    A suppressor seems quite contrary to the idea of a self-defense pistol. I won't fire until I am in extremis and an unsuppressed report is better than calling out 'help help call 911.'
    Have you ever fired your pistol in a house? One shot could result in permanent hearing loss for you, your spouse, or your child. But the bigger point is that there is probably no compelling public interest to regulate suppressors and there should never be a law that is not based on a compelling need.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameisgood View Post
    Have you ever fired your pistol in a house? One shot could result in permanent hearing loss for you, your spouse, or your child. But the bigger point is that there is probably no compelling public interest to regulate suppressors and there should never be a law that is not based on a compelling need.


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    It can make a .22 somewhat quite ... but its not like in the movies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2NeBWYeZLM

    ^^ one for the ol' oil filter suppressor. Technically, in this suppressor design every time you change the filter would require a new suppressor tax.

    But if you made the design so that an exterior holder for the filter is used, making the filter disposable part of the suppressor I would wonder if the disposable part being replaced would then require a new tax to be paid is a question.
    Any thoughts?

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haeYj82a9f4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    I have practiced in a shoot-house. I have never worn eye or hearing protection. If I were to fire in the presence of a loved one, deafness would be the least risk.

    I did not mention regulation and resent your tagging a hypothetical to my response.
    Well, you can sleep with these in ...

    http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1aD2iI...-Protector.jpg

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    Just have some light to wake you to intruders (or the wifey poking up awake) .. then pew pew pew away while protecting your hearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    I have practiced in a shoot-house. I have never worn eye or hearing protection. If I were to fire in the presence of a loved one, deafness would be the least risk.

    I did not mention regulation and resent your tagging a hypothetical to my response.
    As far as the first part, I was simply pointing out that the valid argument to silence a self-defense weapon. I often carry a 357 Sig with a short barrel, a weapon which has a huge flash and loud bang, and have been accused of trying to scare a bad guy to death or into surrender. I like to think of it as "to the pain". In my house, my strategy is different.

    Since this thread is about removing or changing a regulation, I figured that I would address that aspect. Sorry you took it as personal attack, it was not intended that way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    It can make a .22 somewhat quite ... but its not like in the movies.
    ...But if you made the design so that an exterior holder for the filter is used, making the filter disposable part of the suppressor I would wonder if the disposable part being replaced would then require a new tax to be paid is a question.
    Any thoughts?
    I recall reading in the ATF regs that it is unlawful to have things like baffles just laying around. I would think that, if it were legal, manufacturers would design the very expensive cans to be rebuildable, using very expensive parts, so we would be encouraged to buy parts rather than potentially switch brands when it came time for a rebuild or replacement. Also, a multi caliber suppressor would be as simple as swapping internals.

    If they were not taxed as they are, we would probably have access to the cheaper (in all ways) European style suppressors. (I don't have first hand experience with those, but hear tell that they are lighter and less expensive.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    ^^ one for the ol' oil filter suppressor. Technically, in this suppressor design every time you change the filter would require a new suppressor tax.

    But if you made the design so that an exterior holder for the filter is used, making the filter disposable part of the suppressor I would wonder if the disposable part being replaced would then require a new tax to be paid is a question.
    Any thoughts?
    Yes. The "adapter", the part that screws onto your firearm, should have a serial number registered with ATF. That makes the filter itself a "replacement part". Sort of a disposable "wipe". Not very quiet, hard to use in the field, but a good "expediant".


    Quote Originally Posted by nonameisgood View Post
    I recall reading in the ATF regs that it is unlawful to have things like baffles just laying around.
    Again, yes, you get arrested for just having the "parts" it shows "intent". If they wish to be difficult, some get into trouble for having "steel wool" because it can be used in a can. Personally I like the monolithics rather than baffles, they are much easier to keep clean.

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