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    13 yr old Defends Self and House from Armed Robbers

    http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/304...pected-burglar

    Hot damn! Kids a good shot. Saved the taxpayers the money of a trial and lockup.

    Seriously though, I hope his mom hammers into him that he did everything right and that he shouldn't feel bad about the end result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/304...pected-burglar

    Hot damn! Kids a good shot. Saved the taxpayers the money of a trial and lockup.

    Seriously though, I hope his mom hammers into him that he did everything right and that he shouldn't feel bad about the end result.
    It won't be his mom she has already expressed gratitude or him defending himself.

    If I was a gambling man, I'd say it would be the "(only) Black Lives Matter" or anti-gun movements who would try to make the repeat criminals into "victims" and would vilify the child (who is ACTUALLY a child, not a hulking, muscular male who is chronologically in his teens).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    It won't be his mom she has already expressed gratitude or him defending himself.

    If I was a gambling man, I'd say it would be the "(only) Black Lives Matter" or anti-gun movements who would try to make the repeat criminals into "victims" and would vilify the child (who is ACTUALLY a child, not a hulking, muscular male who is chronologically in his teens).
    Naw, they'll blame the mom for allowing her kid access to a firearm.

    <sarcasm>After all, if she had locked it up properly, this would never have happened! </ sarcasm>

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    What was his training? How is this possible if he had none? I am betting he did not have hours, upon hours of tactikewl training, yet still was able to defend himself. Hope he recovers from whatever PTSD he may have.
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    Think they'll charge the 2nd burglar with murder?

    No one here will say anything negative concerning the teenager's actions I think.

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    Good for him for doing what he had to do to protect himself. He saved the taxpayers a boatload of money.

    BUT, we all know the thugs family will file a civil suit against his Mother. Ridiculous as it seems, I can see it coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    What was his training? How is this possible if he had none? I am betting he did not have hours, upon hours of tactikewl training, yet still was able to defend himself. Hope he recovers from whatever PTSD he may have.
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    The young man first shot through the door and then fired several more times at the fleeing vehicle - glad I wasn't the one to have done that.
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    Ryan Frederick is still incarcerated as a felon in Virginia for doing exactly the same thing this brave young man did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Ryan Frederick is still incarcerated as a felon in Virginia for doing exactly the same thing this brave young man did.
    Don't see the cases as being exactly the same at all. Fredrick did not chase after the officer's vehicle.
    http://www.pilotonline.com/news/loca...b25f25d1d.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Don't see the cases as being exactly the same at all. Fredrick did not chase after the officer's vehicle.
    http://www.pilotonline.com/news/loca...b25f25d1d.html
    Please do not change the subject by expanding to the entire case. It is too obvious Marshaul is talking about firing through the door.
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    OK, so Ryan Frederick didn't even go so far as this young man in defending his home. And yet when the police behave exactly as criminals do we instead treat innocent homeowners, like Ryan, as criminals for defending their homes.
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    What I find amazing is the police elicited a CI to commit a crime, burglary, and the search warrant was based on the crime. If I had been on the jury it would have been a hung jury. The judge who issued the warrant based on evidence obtained by a illegal search by an informant during a burglary should be the one in prison, along with any officers involved.
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    Originally Posted by Grapeshot
    Don't see the cases as being exactly the same at all. Fredrick did not chase after the officer's vehicle.
    http://www.pilotonline.com/news/loca...b25f25d1d.html
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    Please do not change the subject by expanding to the entire case. It is too obvious Marshaul is talking about firing through the door.
    The operative word was "exactly," but you know that.

    I'm not expanding anything - the only similarity is that someone shot someone else through a door.

    Nothing else is remotely close. We can't let facts get in the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    What was his training? How is this possible if he had none? I am betting he did not have hours, upon hours of tactikewl training, yet still was able to defend himself. Hope he recovers from whatever PTSD he may have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    The operative word was "exactly," but you know that.

    I'm not expanding anything - the only similarity is that someone shot someone else through a door.
    So, shooting through a door is no longer exactly the same as shooting through a door?

    The pedantry is getting hard to navigate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    So, shooting through a door is no longer exactly the same as shooting through a door?

    The pedantry is getting hard to navigate.
    Bad guys breaking into the house versus the cops breaking into the house are not exactly the same. Even when the cops had no business breaking into the house.

    At some point the courts must stop allowing cops a pass on relying on a criminal informants. Everything is a double standard.

    In Ohio the castle doctrine makes it clear your front porch is your home if it has a roof over it. In other words, you can shoot through the door. No roof, you had better wait for them to break in.

    Ryan Frederick should have been found not guilty......I have said it a number of times, any cop who participates in a no-knock warrant is an idiot and does not value his own life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    Bad guys breaking into the house versus the cops breaking into the house are not exactly the same. Even when the cops had no business breaking into the house.

    At some point the courts must stop allowing cops a pass on relying on a criminal informants. Everything is a double standard.

    In Ohio the castle doctrine makes it clear your front porch is your home if it has a roof over it. In other words, you can shoot through the door. No roof, you had better wait for them to break in.

    Ryan Frederick should have been found not guilty......I have said it a number of times, any cop who participates in a no-knock warrant is an idiot and does not value his own life.
    They didn't just rely on a criminal, they instigated the criminal committing a felony. Everyone involved should have charged with the officer's death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    Bad guys breaking into the house versus the cops breaking into the house are not exactly the same. Even when the cops had no business breaking into the house.
    Yeah, they really are the same. The only thing that matters is what a reasonable person would do when faced with the available information. A reasonable person does not have psychic powers and cannot determine magically whether the person breaking down his door is doing so under color of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Please do not change the subject by expanding to the entire case. It is too obvious Marshaul is talking about firing through the door.
    Defense lawyers argued that Frederick shot in self-defense after he was awakened and thought burglars were breaking through his front door. http://www.pilotonline.com/news/loca...b25f25d1d.html

    Guy shot someone on his land? Not guilty. I need not hear too much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Yeah, they really are the same. The only thing that matters is what a reasonable person would do when faced with the available information. A reasonable person does not have psychic powers and cannot determine magically whether the person breaking down his door is doing so under color of law.
    I think a reasonable person may do several things ... including shooting the person behind the door who is on his property. For many reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Yeah, they really are the same. The only thing that matters is what a reasonable person would do when faced with the available information. A reasonable person does not have psychic powers and cannot determine magically whether the person breaking down his door is doing so under color of law.
    You are taking what I said out of context. I then said: "Even when the cops had no business breaking into the house." In effect making the first sentence a sarcastic statement. Then I went on to say: "At some point the courts must stop allowing cops a pass on relying on a criminal informants. Everything is a double standard."

    I think I made my point clear.

    Are smiley faces now the proper form of punctuation?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
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    Are smiley faces now the proper form of punctuation?????
    NO

    http://www.slate.com/articles/techno..._in_court.html

    ^^ at least from this court's viewpoint

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Don't see the cases as being exactly the same at all. Fredrick did not chase after the officer's vehicle. ...
    Escape clause?

    Thug shot and killed...good job son.

    Cop shot and killed...10 years for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Both those sentences they were thugs.
    A cop can never be called a thug...a cop can be called unprofessional, lethally so.

    A cop can be called unreasonably unprofessional, lethally so.

    A cop can be called egregiously unreasonably unprofessional, lethally so.

    But a cop can never be called a thug...there is, I think, a rule about this here on OCDO...somewhere.
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