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    anyone recognize the weapon?

    In a forum on law and poltics, people are discussing ISIS, the Kurds and Turkey. The news on cnn says that the Kurds weapons are old.

    Does anyone recognize what rifle this is she is holding and perhaps how old it is? I assume it is not American made. She is reported to have killed 29 ISIS fighters. If she had some American rifles, how much more might she be killing? Does anyone wish to guess?

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    does anyone recognize the weapon?

    In a forum on law and poltics, people are discussing ISIS, the Kurds and Turkey. The news on cnn says that the Kurds weapons are old.

    Does anyone recognize what rifle this is she is holding and perhaps how old it is? I assume it is not American made. She is reported to have killed 29 ISIS fighters. If she had some American rifles, how much more might she be killing? Does anyone wish to guess?

    thanks!

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    Russian PKM 7.62X54mm Semi Auto Belt Fed

    Why would you be prejudiced against Russian weapons? The Balanced Automatic Recoil System used in the AN-94 and derivatives is amazing! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN-94

    Russian PKM 7.62X54mm Semi Auto Belt Fed

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PK_machine_gun

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    Last edited by Nightmare; 11-20-2015 at 07:09 PM.
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    It's a PKM. I've got personal experience with them. Unmistakable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Why would you be prejudiced against Russian weapons? The Balanced Automatic Recoil System used in the AN-94 and derivatives is amazing! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN-94

    Russian PKM 7.62X54mm Semi Auto Belt Fed

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PK_machine_gun

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=russian+pk...ax=1&ia=images
    Thanks; no problem . . . I have no prejudice and wish to learn!

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    I would love to have a PKM!
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    I figured that his username was a nod to, or cachet claim from, Hero of The Soviet Union Vasily Grigoryevich Zaytsev (1915 - 1991).
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    The Russian PKM is a very capable weapon. I doubt that she is under gunned. Old does not mean obsolete. There may be newer, lighter, more powerful, less powerful and better looking weapons available, but the people that were killed with a PKM are still dead. A properly maintained PKM could kill many more. I could think of many weapons I would pass over to get a PKM. The 7.62 X 54R cartridge is more powerful that the 7.62 X 51(.308) NATO. It is closer to the US 7.62X53 (30-06). What US weapon would you suggest to replace this PKM? M 249? Not me.
    Gutshot makes a good point, with the exception that the M249 SAW is not in the same class as the PKM, or the M60 (which has been replaced by the M240). The SAW is chambered in 5.56, which obviously limits its range and penetration potential.

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    Apparently PK (K as in Kalashnikov) derivatives are still in production and the PKM should not be thought old any more than the M249 derived from the 'Minimi' of 1974.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    The Russian PKM is a very capable weapon. I doubt that she is under gunned. Old does not mean obsolete. There may be newer, lighter, more powerful, less powerful and better looking weapons available, but the people that were killed with a PKM are still dead. A properly maintained PKM could kill many more. I could think of many weapons I would pass over to get a PKM. The 7.62 X 54R cartridge is more powerful that the 7.62 X 51(.308) NATO. It is closer to the US 7.62X53 (30-06). What US weapon would you suggest to replace this PKM? M 249? Not me.
    I know that the 7.62x54R is a nasty round. I would hate to be on the business end of that round even with cover and body armor.

    I have put those through at least .5" boiler plate, a brake disc, and cinder blocks.

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    Nothing wrong with the PKM. It's a great weapon. I would probably go with the M240 as that's what I'm more familiar with.
    On a side note, the SAW and 240 may be utilized by the U.S. but they are not U.S. weapons. They're Belgian.
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    Absolutely beauty of a firearm. Not cheap either. There is one for sale over at GB for a paltry US$4,800.
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=525046118
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    PKM is a fine belt-fed weapon.
    And she's got excellent trigger control.

    I never got good at single shots on my M-60, though doubles were easy. She makes it look routine, and the PK cycles faster than the M-60, so you have to be quicker.

    7.62x54R is a good round. Between 7.62x51 (NATO) and .30-06 in power.
    NATO 7.62 has the advantage of being more compact, but that's it.
    Right-hand feed (PKM) is probably better for a right-handed operator. The ammo box and tray wouldn't grind into you while you carry it, and it puts your assistant on your right, giving him a space in front of his left shoulder to feed the gun while having his own rifle on his right.
    Fixed links suck though. Maybe a slight reliability gain, but they are heavier, more awkward to link up belts, and you have to worry about the empty belt hanging out the other side of the weapon.

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