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    D.C. police chief to the public

    "In a stunning reversal of traditional police advice against private citizens taking action in the midst of a crime, District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier acknowledged times, and crimes, have changed and citizens — if they can — should “take down” active shooters in a segment scheduled during the "60 Minutes" broadcast."
    http://www.examiner.com/article/d-c-...alerts_article

    How in the heck is that going to work, when the average private person (resident & non-resident alike) cannot carry when out and about.
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    This is nothing new, this chief has always advocated carry in recent history, it just naturally follows what he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    How in the heck is that going to work, when the average private person (resident & non-resident alike) cannot carry when out and about.
    Carry a can of corn....... if it's good enough for the children...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    This is nothing new, this chief has always advocated carry in recent history, it just naturally follows what he said.
    Apparently not the case coming up through the ranks AND have seen nothing recent before this.

    BTW - the "he" in this case is a woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post

    How in the heck is that going to work, when the average private person (resident & non-resident alike) cannot carry when out and about.
    Through the power of wishful thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    "In a stunning reversal of traditional police advice against private citizens taking action in the midst of a crime, District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier acknowledged times, and crimes, have changed and citizens — if they can — should “take down” active shooters in a segment scheduled during the "60 Minutes" broadcast."
    http://www.examiner.com/article/d-c-...alerts_article
    OUTSTANDING!

    How in the heck is that going to work, when the average private person (resident & non-resident alike) cannot carry when out and about.
    Start with her outstanding revelation and take it to the adjacent logical conclusion: Allow carry.
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    I wonder how many would, if they could, stop a frankentruck from smashing into the various buildings housing the top of the country's idiots.

    For the children.

    If I could, I would likely still be flipping a coin before time expired to where it would do any good. Best out of a thousand.
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    CCRKBA challenges D.C. chief to lead on CCW reform

    "Reacting to comments from District of Columbia Police Chief Cathy Lanier last night during CBS’ “60 Minutes” that citizens should take down active shooters if possible, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms this morning challenged the chief to help make that possible in the District by leading the charge to reform the city’s restrictive concealed carry law."

    "If Lanier is serious about citizens fighting back, she could become a lightning rod for a change in attitude not just in the District, but across the landscape. Her voice could be a loud one among many for common sense reform of restrictive gun laws that have not prevented crimes or protected anyone, and they certainly haven’t stopped active shooters nor will they discourage terrorists."

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I wonder how many would, if they could, stop a frankentruck from smashing into the various buildings housing the top of the country's idiots.

    For the children.

    If I could, I would likely still be flipping a coin before time expired to where it would do any good. Best out of a thousand.
    One can always come up with a scenario that is impossible to defeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I wonder how many would, if they could, stop a frankentruck from smashing into the various buildings housing the top of the country's idiots.

    For the children.

    If I could, I would likely still be flipping a coin before time expired to where it would do any good. Best out of a thousand.
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    One can always come up with a scenario that is impossible to defeat.
    Agree 100% and doing so is a wasted time & effort.....except as a drill to determine whether it is unlikely/impossible.

    I prefer the power of positive stinking........and no that isn't a typo
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    Someone needs to apply for a DC CCW and list Defense against Terrorism as the justification. They can then cite their own police cheifs words on the appeal and resulting court case.

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    They were talking about this for a moment on a idiot radio station today.

    Even the idiots on the radio understood that telling citizens to be armed while denying them the right to own guns is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    WOW A market segment with which I am not familiar, idiot-radio. Why were you listening?

    I live so far off in the woods that OTA broadcast doesn't reach and we have to stream off the internet.
    It is the only type playing over the public airwaves in this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    That's a simple fix, don't listen to public-airwaves. Apparently you have a TAPATALK phone, will it not stream audio to your big speakers?
    I like to keep track of some of the bs that is being fed to the sheeple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    BTW - the "he" in this case is a woman.
    I think that's still open to debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxman View Post
    I think that's still open to debate.
    No it is not.

    In addition you approach a Forum Rules #6 violation from several directions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    "In a stunning reversal of traditional police advice against private citizens taking action in the midst of a crime, District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier acknowledged times, and crimes, have changed and citizens — if they can — should “take down” active shooters in a segment scheduled during the "60 Minutes" broadcast."
    http://www.examiner.com/article/d-c-...alerts_article

    How in the heck is that going to work, when the average private person (resident & non-resident alike) cannot carry when out and about.
    i'm trying to work out if you actually believe that. A look at the Constitution might change your mind there
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    Have you read through DC's laws, right? Some of the most draconian BS east of the Mississippi. Read Emily Gets Her Gun and you'll see just what a load of crap the DC top cop is spewing right now. The Constitution says they have to allow it, but it doesn't say that can't make it prohibitively difficult and expensive for the common people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    "In a stunning reversal of traditional police advice against private citizens taking action in the midst of a crime, District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier acknowledged times, and crimes, have changed and citizens — if they can — should “take down” active shooters in a segment scheduled during the "60 Minutes" broadcast."
    http://www.examiner.com/article/d-c-...alerts_article

    How in the heck is that going to work, when the average private person (resident & non-resident alike) cannot carry when out and about.
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    i'm trying to work out if you actually believe that. A look at the Constitution might change your mind there
    It is more than opinion/belief. It is a FACT. Do not carry a gun in Washington D.C. unless you have a magic talisman. They will drive the bus over you and then throw you under the jail.

    The Constitution is but a minor impediment to DC's draconian laws. Having an empty shell casing can get you arrested.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wa...rticle/2535216
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    It is more than opinion/belief. It is a FACT. Do not carry a gun in Washington D.C. unless you have a magic talisman. They will drive the bus over you and then throw you under the jail.

    The Constitution is but a minor impediment to DC's draconian laws. Having an empty shell casing can get you arrested.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wa...rticle/2535216
    The Constitution usurps and as the case may be invalidates state law. This is my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    It is more than opinion/belief. It is a FACT. Do not carry a gun in Washington D.C. unless you have a magic talisman. They will drive the bus over you and then throw you under the jail.

    The Constitution is but a minor impediment to DC's draconian laws. Having an empty shell casing can get you arrested.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wa...rticle/2535216
    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    The Constitution usurps and as the case may be invalidates state law. This is my point.
    I well enough understand your point and the in-a-perfect-world it implies.

    Surely you are not voluntering to be a test case.
    Better to not open your mouth and be thought the fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    I well enough understand your point and the in-a-perfect-world it implies.

    Surely you are not voluntering to be a test case.
    On my own, no. But I would rally enough people to make it safe then march down the streets of DC Open Carrying with no permit whatsoever. I'm not stupid, I know full well one person would get taken out in a heartbeat. It's got to be done en masse. If this is done in the major cities with draconian 'laws' and done regularly, how soon before they realize We The People are in control? And no I am not advocating revolution, civil war or the overthrow of the government. Thats an illogical liberal comeback and is the infamous black and white fallacy. Either keep things as they are or blow the government up, neither of which make any sense at all.

    Now I know all but Rule 15 but you have to admit you opened yourself right up to this by asking the question. Thanks for that :P
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    Originally Posted by Grapeshot

    I well enough understand your point and the in-a-perfect-world it implies.

    Surely you are not voluntering to be a test case.
    Quote Originally Posted by rightwinglibertarian View Post
    On my own, no. But I would rally enough people to make it safe then march down the streets of DC Open Carrying with no permit whatsoever. I'm not stupid, I know full well one person would get taken out in a heartbeat. It's got to be done en masse. If this is done in the major cities with draconian 'laws' and done regularly, how soon before they realize We The People are in control? And no I am not advocating revolution, civil war or the overthrow of the government. Thats an illogical liberal comeback and is the infamous black and white fallacy. Either keep things as they are or blow the government up, neither of which make any sense at all.

    Now I know all but Rule 15 but you have to admit you opened yourself right up to this by asking the question. Thanks for that :P
    I did not ask a question, quite to the contrary.
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