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    san bernardino active shooting event

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    Yep. Nice to see all those wonderful Kalifornia Soviet Socialist Republic anti gun laws and whatnot working out SO well.
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    how do they perceive they lock down firearm control in one of the tightest controlled states we have

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    Why these shooting occur and why there is nothing to do to stop them ...

    We allow our unborn to be murdered, gov't refuses any kind of civilized religion to be practiced....what do you expect?

    But our RKBA is unaffected .... its still good.

    Unfortunately, I don't see the gov't or people honoring life as they should....

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    Still waiting for a mass shooting at a gun show. All those people in such a small area and firearms all around.

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    someone, at the beginning stated the nice agencies were in a training event near by...but then never heard it again.

    also interesting to note...two suspects are deceased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Dead men tell no tales, controvert no lies.
    A M E N !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Chief Burguan said the two dead suspects were a man and a woman in “assault style clothing.”
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...no-20-victims/
    Does this include assault style underwear?

    Looks like a girl got offended, left, got gang banger BF to go back and take 'em on.

    We'll never know.

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2453471

    A muslim....I can see why obummer is talking guns instead of his muslim brothers

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    Worrying about the who, what and why of the guns has nothing to do with the shooting.

    We know who the shooters were.

    Worrying about the guns only has to do with pushing more control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    <snip> During the banquet, "there was some type of dispute," and Farook left the gathering angrily, the chief said, and he returned with his wife and they opened fire.

    http://graphics.latimes.com/san-bernardino-shooting/
    I don't think this is what Tammy meant ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U48VjCJkowE

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    Just posting this as I stumbled across it this morning. It seems there was an ARMED witness at a nearby business that observed the black SUV leaving after shots were fired. He did not intervene.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/loc...shooting_scene

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Good. He had no right to as he was no longer in danger of grievous bodily harm, an element of defense of self.

    The risk of arming citizens against mass terrorism is of them being overwhelmed by the horror, their emotions and their need to do something active.

    The elements of common law defense of self are four; be innocent of instigation, be in danger of bodily harm, use sufficient force to deliver oneself only from harm, and attempt to withdraw. Your statutory requirements may be greater or lesser, not having qualified immunity a citizen cannot afford to be wrong.
    Completely agree. He went towards trouble. Had he been inside the building at the time it would be a completely different situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adk_mechetech View Post
    Completely agree. He went towards trouble. Had he been inside the building at the time it would be a completely different situation.
    even in the thick of things, judicious confrontation can overwhelm 'johnny do gooder' as was shown in the recent situation in walmart where the CC'r confronted the bad guy to stop, yet missed the bad guy's wife who shot the CC'r, killing.

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    If you see someone carrying a long gun in an inappropriate location (like a holiday party), just be safe and open up on them before they open fire on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    If you see someone carrying a long gun in an inappropriate location (like a holiday party), just be safe and open up on them before they open fire on you.
    You have got to be kidding. Really??

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimtas View Post
    You have got to be kidding. Really??
    How else would a good guy with a gun have stopped that shooting?
    Last edited by beebobby; 12-04-2015 at 12:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    How else would a good guy with a gun have stopped that shooting?
    Smh.....your trolling skills are quite rusty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    If you see someone carrying a long gun in an inappropriate location (like a holiday party), just be safe and open up on them before they open fire on you.
    RULES VIOLATION---- (caps on purpose) and the quoted poster SHOULD know this for the length of time spent on this forum!
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    If you see someone carrying a long gun in an inappropriate location (like a holiday party), just be safe and open up on them before they open fire on you.
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    RULES VIOLATION---- (caps on purpose) and the quoted poster SHOULD no(sic) this for the length of time spent on this forum!
    Indeed it is a serious rules violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    RULES VIOLATION---- (caps on purpose) and the quoted poster SHOULD no this for the length of time spent on this forum!
    Two rules violations: advocating illegal action and discussing long-gun open carry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Indeed it is a serious rules violation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Two rules violations: advocating illegal action and discussing long-gun open carry!
    I did use the plural form.

    It is one violation of multiple rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Good. He had no right to as he was no longer in danger of grievous bodily harm, an element of defense of self.

    The risk of arming citizens against mass terrorism is of them being overwhelmed by the horror, their emotions and their need to do something active.

    The elements of common law defense of self are four; be innocent of instigation, be in danger of bodily harm, use sufficient force to deliver oneself only from harm, and attempt to withdraw. Your statutory requirements may be greater or lesser, not having qualified immunity a citizen cannot afford to be wrong.
    This would depend on the state (if the guy would be legally OK to shoot). If he witnessed (or really knew) them killing 14 people, I think that he would be OK to shoot, even when they are leaving. He would have been shooting at killers ... almost every state allows shooting them, even when no danger to the shooter is present...

    Not a self defense question ---- a citizens arrest issue.
    Its called REASONABLE force to secure the arrest .. and it can be reasonable IMO to shoot at a fleeing vehicle wherein all the occupants have just killed 14 people.


    CA recognizes citizens arrest...http://le.alcoda.org/publications/fi...ZENSARREST.pdf

    Why the carrier did not shoot is unknown to me...perhaps too far off for the guy where a handgun is out of range or he thought he could not hit the vehicle (why waste expensive ammo).
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    This would depend on the state (if the guy would be legally OK to shoot). If he witnessed them killing 14 people, I think that he would be OK to shoot, even when they are leaving. He would have been shooting at killers ... almost every state allows shooting them, even when no danger to the shooter is present...

    Not a self defense question ---- a citizens arrest issue.
    Its called REASONABLE force to secure the arrest .. and its reasonable IMO to shoot at a fleeing vehicle wherein all the occupants have just killed 14 people.

    CA recognizes citizens arrest...http://le.alcoda.org/publications/fi...ZENSARREST.pdf
    there is only one state in the union, NC, which has no statute allowing citizens arrest ~ we might detain, but pointing a firearm or other weapon at someone to 'detain' is a against NC statutes. 15A-404. Detention of offenders by private persons.

    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedl...article_20.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by adk_mechetech View Post
    Just posting this as I stumbled across it this morning. It seems there was an ARMED witness at a nearby business that observed the black SUV leaving after shots were fired. He did not intervene.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/loc...shooting_scene
    Reports are coming in that he did have some level of intervention, even without shots fired. But regardless, he is living in a state putting him at the extreme disadvantage of being one of few, and possibly the only, armed people in the vicinity. His firearm is for his defense, not to stop massacres of those who the state has disarmed, a state which continues to ironically spew the drivel that the cops are sufficient for this.
    Last edited by MAC702; 12-05-2015 at 10:52 AM.
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