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    Working with our state legislature

    Does anyone have experience working with our MO State representatives?

    Which representatives are the most gun friendly/willing to sponsor gun friendly bills in each chamber? And do you have any experiences approaching/working with them regarding legislation?

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    I have met with my representative Rocky Miller on issues and was very helpful. Very pro 2nd Amendment.


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    No such thing as a "gun friendly" bill.

    By supporting such, other than bills to repeal other laws, you admit that they can regulate guns.

    I do not support any gun bills ... all are void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    No such thing as a "gun friendly" bill.

    By supporting such, other than bills to repeal other laws, you admit that they can regulate guns.

    I do not support any gun bills ... all are void.
    Thanks for your opinion. I'm trying, in part, to roll back legislation, but your off topic judgement is noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STLDaniel View Post
    Thanks for your opinion. I'm trying, in part, to roll back legislation, but your off topic judgement is noted.
    I did not provide an opinion .. just facts . What is the primary law or top one that you are trying to roll back or get repealed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I did not provide an opinion .. just facts . What is the primary law or top one that you are trying to roll back or get repealed?
    I may post a new thread on that as it approaches, but for the moment don't want to let this thread get sidetracked discussing the bills, as I'd really like opinions on representatives and working with them.

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    as i have advocated previously, the concept of 'keeping hidden agendas' will not afford you the appropriate insight you feel you are seeking.

    case in point...you wish to know how to work with legislative individuals w/o stating the cause you are pursing...therefore, the guidance you get might put you on the wrong track and only after you have expended considerable time and efforts will you discern this individual is not whom you needed to approach.

    but as you have previously stated...this is just another off topic comment...

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    I don't see the OP's query as being unreasonable at all.

    In Virginia, VCDL maintains regular contact with pro gun delegates and senators. We most often work below the horizon until the time is ripe.
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    Not at all even worried about keeping things hidden. Just worried, that the thread will focus on the merits and topics of the proposals, which is a place for another thread, vs. this request.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STLDaniel View Post
    I may post a new thread on that as it approaches, but for the moment don't want to let this thread get sidetracked discussing the bills, as I'd really like opinions on representatives and working with them.
    Well if you want people's opinions on the members, the laws in question, that you wish to repeal, are highly relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STLDaniel View Post
    Does anyone have experience working with our MO State representatives?

    Which representatives are the most gun friendly/willing to sponsor gun friendly bills in each chamber? And do you have any experiences approaching/working with them regarding legislation?
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Well if you want people's opinions on the members, the laws in question, that you wish to repeal, are highly relevant.
    My suggestion - If you can't answer his question as asked, don't.
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    This site, do to the posts of some, makes it hard to advance the cause of many of us seek. What shame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    My suggestion - If you can't answer his question as asked, don't.
    I don't think he'll get an answer .... w/o providing more information.

    He can go here .. https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/

    For vague, non-specific queries.

    You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I don't think he'll get an answer .... w/o providing more information.

    He can go here .. https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/

    For vague, non-specific queries.

    You're welcome.
    Actually a good suggestion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Actually a good suggestion.
    i agree, but why did it take 4 comments to get there?

    sent a PM, but god only knows if it went:

    SB 656, the open carry premption, was introduced by Senator Wil Kraus and Kevin Elmer (no longer in office)

    MSPGUNNER (the late Marc Perez) and LMTD were both part of this effort. You might contact him directly for help.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griz View Post
    i agree, but why did it take 4 comments to get there?
    Well, if he would have given the public acts he wanted to get repealed I would have researched the votes of the members...no point in contacting a sponsor of a bill that passed, right? It looks like he wants to get legislation introduced to repeal some laws ... of course, it only requires one legislator to do that.

    I even have a blank bill template for my legislature ... I type up a bill and send it to a legislator I think would be willing to move it forward. Make it easy on them by writing it yourself, everyone is somewhat lazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I don't think he'll get an answer .... w/o providing more information.

    He can go here .. https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/

    For vague, non-specific queries.

    You're welcome.
    Quote Originally Posted by Griz View Post
    SB 656, the open carry premption, was introduced by Senator Wil Kraus and Kevin Elmer (no longer in office)

    MSPGUNNER (the late Marc Perez) and LMTD were both part of this effort. You might contact him directly for help.

    Good luck!
    Thank you both for the suggestions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STLDaniel View Post
    Does anyone have experience working with our MO State representatives?

    Which representatives are the most gun friendly/willing to sponsor gun friendly bills in each chamber? And do you have any experiences approaching/working with them regarding legislation?
    First, know who your state reps are.

    http://www.senate.mo.gov/

    http://www.house.mo.gov/

    Then send them a e-mail and ask them what their position is on our Art. I Sec 23 (the 2A) right is. If you feel their answer is overly broad, too general, ask more specific questions that are focused on the below statutes. Specifically the parts of these statutes that interest you. Specifics are what politicians need to draft legislation, even where a deletion (repeal) is needed. We are discussing laws and words matter.

    Then, review the statutes that you desire addressed.

    RSMo 21.750 is the statute that requires a endorsement to OC in some political subdivisions. http://moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/Chapte...tIndex021.html
    RSMo 571 is our firearms statute. http://moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/Chapte...tIndex571.html
    RSMo 563 is our use of force statute. http://moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/Chapte...tIndex563.html
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    sorry, but OP your forthcoming on your perceived project is beyond incomprehensible. you have access to some individuals who might have tons of experience in assisting yet you still play cat and mouse...oh, quote i'll post another thread, etc. unquote.

    you have summarily dismissed comments with 'oh thanks for the suggestions' response.

    you now have folk providing you the basics of know who your reps are since you couldn't articulate even that concept.

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    This site, do to the posts of some, makes it hard to advance the cause of many of us seek. What shame. unquote

    tell us logunowner...pray tell just what is the cause the OP is seeking since you seem to have that special gift of insight?? oh yes, vaguely stated gun friendly bills against vaguely stated state statutes?

    yes logunowner...it is a shame!!

    folk continuing to do things in the dark by themselves and then whine when it doesn't get across home plate from the pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STLDaniel View Post
    Does anyone have experience working with our MO State representatives?

    Which representatives are the most gun friendly/willing to sponsor gun friendly bills in each chamber? And do you have any experiences approaching/working with them regarding legislation?
    Quote Originally Posted by logunowner View Post
    This site, do to the posts of some, makes it hard to advance the cause of many of us seek. What shame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    sorry, but OP your forthcoming on your perceived project is beyond incomprehensible. you have access to some individuals who might have tons of experience in assisting yet you still play cat and mouse...oh, quote i'll post another thread, etc. unquote.

    you have summarily dismissed comments with 'oh thanks for the suggestions' response.

    you now have folk providing you the basics of know who your reps are since you couldn't articulate even that concept.

    and quote:
    logunowner

    This site, do to the posts of some, makes it hard to advance the cause of many of us seek. What shame. unquote

    tell us logunowner...pray tell just what is the cause the OP is seeking since you seem to have that special gift of insight?? oh yes, vaguely stated gun friendly bills against vaguely stated state statutes?

    yes logunowner...it is a shame!!

    folk continuing to do things in the dark by themselves and then whine when it doesn't get across home plate from the pitcher.

    ipse



    OP's question was pretty straight forward and should've merited a pretty straight forward answer without him having to provide chapter and verse if he didn't feel the need at this moment. Yet, I have to agree with logunowner 1000%. What's the point in having a forum where we're supposed to help each other promote the idea of open carry when the same handful of people have nothing better to do than split hairs with people's posts...which discourages others from posting and/or possibly makes people leave never to come back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qednick View Post
    OP's question was pretty straight forward and should've merited a pretty straight forward answer without him having to provide chapter and verse if he didn't feel the need at this moment. Yet, I have to agree with logunowner 1000%. What's the point in having a forum where we're supposed to help each other promote the idea of open carry when the same handful of people have nothing better to do than split hairs with people's posts...which discourages others from posting and/or possibly makes people leave never to come back?
    quote: stl: Thanks for your opinion. I'm trying, in part, to roll back legislation, but your off topic judgement is noted. unquote

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    I did not provide an opinion .. just facts . What is the primary law or top one that you are trying to roll back or get repealed? unquote

    do not shoot those who cynically ask a question(s) to provide the proper response to an ambiguously posted query...

    sorry, we are aware there are legislative members (pick a state, any state or nationally) who have pet projects and w/o the foggiest idea what the OP's subject matter is, it is difficult to provide guidance/opinions/approaches as each would be tailored specifically to individual or like minded legislators. (which McBeth pointed out a viable methodology to accomplish)

    further, unless you have sucked up to, thru ,and have built credibility through the legislator's senior staff, you won't get get anything in front of the legislator...

    now if the OP is taking the lead and attempting to institute a MO grassroots organization w/themselves as leader that is a viable exercise also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    quote: stl: Thanks for your opinion. I'm trying, in part, to roll back legislation, but your off topic judgement is noted. unquote

    quote: mcbeth:
    I did not provide an opinion .. just facts . What is the primary law or top one that you are trying to roll back or get repealed? unquote

    do not shoot those who cynically ask a question(s) to provide the proper response to an ambiguously posted query...

    sorry, we are aware there are legislative members (pick a state, any state or nationally) who have pet projects and w/o the foggiest idea what the OP's subject matter is, it is difficult to provide guidance/opinions/approaches as each would be tailored specifically to individual or like minded legislators. (which McBeth pointed out a viable methodology to accomplish)

    further, unless you have sucked up to, thru ,and have built credibility through the legislator's senior staff, you won't get get anything in front of the legislator...

    now if the OP is taking the lead and attempting to institute a MO grassroots organization w/themselves as leader that is a viable exercise also.

    ipse


    OP's question would only have been "ambiguous" if we didn't know which state legislature he was talking about. Since this is the Missouri forum, I'd say his question was simple and straight forward without the need to question his reasoning--which, at this point, he may have good reason to not make public. If someone here mentioned they'd OC'd in their local WalMart, would we need to know what they were shopping for?

    I do believe your intentions are good solus but sometimes your responses to member's posts can appear to come across as somewhat demeaning and pompous--which can cause friction and has the potential to drive away visitors to this forum--which will only hurt the open carry cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    you have summarily dismissed comments with 'oh thanks for the suggestions'
    I apologize to anyone who felt dismissed. This was rather a heartfelt gratitude expressed towards those who choose to provide help regardless of their opinion of the nature of my post. Several responses here, and several that came via PM in response to this thread have been very valuable. They were not dismissed by expressing my gratitude. Infact they have helped me form a plan of action.

    Despite objections to the contrary this thread has been successful towards eliciting the information I needed. Now that I've formed my initial plan with this help, the thread no longer needs to continue. Moderators feel free to lock it, or otherwise everyone should now feel free to debate the purpose and tactics of this thread in general.

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    Good luck to you STLDaniel ! Nothing wrong with learning more about the legislative processes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    unless you have sucked up to, thru ,and have built credibility through the legislator's senior staff, you won't get get anything in front of the legislator...
    that's terrible.

    my rep called me to talk after writing him a simple letter.
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