Pre-filed Bills

Whitney · Dec 8, 2015

Legislature is cranking up early this year. Keep your eye on the ball(s).

[h=1]SJM 8015 - 2015-16[/h]
Click on green "Original Bill" link under the "Available Documents" column.

Asking congress to call a limited convention, authorized under Article V of the United States Constitution, for the purpose of proposing a free and fair elections amendment to that Constitution.

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~Whitney

HPmatt · Dec 8, 2015

Congresscritters are not part of this process. Only states, and anything produced in these requires state legislature approval, so any concepts of 'runaway' proposals are a dead issue - anything kooky will not be approved by state legislatures. Btw about 2/3rds of state legislatures are already controlled by republicans.

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sudden valley gunner · Dec 9, 2015

Nightmare said:
Be careful of what one wishes as you may get it good and hard.

+1

The Articles of confederation was never authorized by the states to be overthrown.

Schlepnier · Dec 10, 2015

Article 5 is the only way we are going to get term limits in congress to return the system to the way it was meant to operate they sure as heck are not going to do it themselves(congress), or a balanced budget amendment and so forth.

It still has to go through the entire process the thing article 5 gives us is the chance for the states to propose things. people forget the states created the federal government not the other way around.

Alpine · Dec 10, 2015

Nightmare said:
That's the problem with Article V conventions, once called, even with a limited commission, there is no parliamentary or statutory mechanism to limit the considerations.

Be careful of what one wishes as you may get it good and hard.

So tired of hearing this.

For the last time, a runaway convention is impossible because anything that comes out of it has to be ratified by 38 states.

Right Wing Wacko · Dec 10, 2015

Nightmare said:
So tired of hearing this.

For the last time, a runaway is impossible because the barn door can be shut after it's gone. Ratification happens after the Article V Convention is done, along with the damage.

Code:

The founders gave two methods for amending the constitution. The method that has been used for all amendments up until now, and article 5, which is a Hail-Mary/punt. With the traditional method, we know what the possible outcomes are. With a Con-Con, they could throw out the whole thing and start from scratch if they wanted to, which is exactly what they did the last time we had a Con-Con.

It's to dangerous.

Alpine · Dec 10, 2015

Nightmare said:
So tired of hearing this.

For the last time, a runaway is impossible because the barn door can be shut after it's gone. Ratification happens after the Article V Convention is done, along with the damage.

You think there aren't 13 states that would vote no on a gutting of the 2nd or 10th Amendments? Seriously?

Alaska
Texas
Alabama
Kentucky
Idaho
Utah
Wyoming
Montana
Kansas
Indiana
Arkansas
Maine
North Dakota
South Dakota
etc

Alpine · Dec 10, 2015

Right Wing Wacko said:
Code:

The founders gave two methods for amending the constitution. The method that has been used for all amendments up until now, and article 5, which is a Hail-Mary/punt. With the traditional method, we know what the possible outcomes are. With a Con-Con, they could throw out the whole thing and start from scratch if they wanted to, which is exactly what they did the last time we had a Con-Con.

It's to dangerous.

You may want to actually read article 5 sometime...

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

The two methods are both only for Amendments, not for scrapping the whole thing. I suppose you could pass an Amendment to scrap the whole thing but 38 states would have to vote yes. There is a greater chance of aliens coming down and wiping out humanity than that.

Grim_Night · Dec 10, 2015

Alpine said:
You think there aren't 13 states that would vote no on a gutting of the 2nd or 10th Amendments? Seriously?

Alaska
Texas
Alabama
Kentucky
Idaho
Utah
Wyoming
Montana
Kansas
Indiana
Arkansas
Maine
North Dakota
South Dakota
etc

Add...

Arizona
Vermont
Missouri
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Louisiana
Mississippi
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
West Virginia
Nevada
Tennessee
Virginia
Oklahoma

HPmatt · Dec 11, 2015

Do you think there w/b 38 states restricting the Federal Government re: 10th Amendment? Putting in a 15 year Limit on SCOTUS? Repealing the 17th Amendment back so US Senators once again are appointed (and recalled) by state Legislatures?

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sudden valley gunner · Dec 11, 2015

HPmatt said:
Do you think there w/b 38 states restricting the Federal Government re: 10th Amendment? Putting in a 15 year Limit on SCOTUS? Repealing the 17th Amendment back so US Senators once again are appointed (and recalled) by state Legislatures?

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+1

The central power theory is believed by most statist and state legislatures.

A chance for more power grab , they'd take it.

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Whitney

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sudden valley gunner

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Schlepnier

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Alpine

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Right Wing Wacko

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