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    RPV in FULL Suicide Mode

    Just like Cuccinelli in 2013, the establishment Republican Party would rather LOSE the White House with THEIR candidate than WIN without.

    You can most assuredly add "Gun Owners" to the list of those they hold in disregard in the article below.

    This is CRITICAL to the future of gun rights in Virginia, AND the country as a whole.

    I'm no fan of Donald Trump, he is no fan of gun rights, but that doesn't matter, the RPV has their sights set on Jeb Bush, and if he isn't the guy, then they would rather have Hillary Clinton, just as they chose McAuliffe over Ken Cuccinelli.

    This snip from early in the article pretty much sums it up:

    Virginia is an interesting state when it comes to the Republican Party and conservative voters. Partly due to the vicinity to Washington DC, and party due to many of the professionally republican living in the state, the hierarchy of the political party apparatus is blue-blooded GOPestablishment yet base of the voting electorate are vulgarian minded conservatives.

    This historical antagonism has led to exceptionally polarized outcomes; David Brat defeating consummate GOPe Eric Cantor is the most brutally obvious recently.

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    The Republican Party of Virginia Trying to Reduce Voter Turnout – Candidate Donald Trump Responds…

    Regardless of how low his polling goes, Jeb will remain their guy. All other candidates, except Trump, are factored into the equation of control contained within the original construct of the GOPe (GOP establishment) road map.

    Tens of millions in advanced promotional GOPe ad-buys await the new year, the latest count was somewhere North of $70 million. The Super-PAC’s will attempt to blitzkrieg the airwaves in January – shock and awe will meet over the top negativity.

    To reference what lies ahead simply remind yourself of Mississippi 2014: Thad Cochran (GOPe) -VS- Mitch Daniels (outsider), only this one will be worse – MUCH WORSE.

    The splitter Super-PACs, currently focusing on the elimination of Donald Trump, have ad buys extended through Christmas,. and a half million dollar ad buy extension through the first two weeks of January.

    With the rise of candidate Donald Trump the GOPe initially moderated their plan and famously required Trump to sign a GOP Pledge. However, the GOPe had a bigger problem.

    What they never anticipated back in 2014 was an influx of non-traditional GOP voters to mess up the entire construct of their low support road map for Jeb.

    Dropping Conservatives was considered good strategy, eliminating Republican registration – even better. Heck, solid evidence exists the GOPe were actively trying to drop Republican voter registrations and make control of the party nominee an even easier undertaking.

    This approach was reflected in their July/August/September/October confidence.

    However, with millions of Independents and even conservative Democrats now supporting a center-right candidacy of Trump, a large segment of the electorate are registering as Republican, or, in many cases, re-registering back as “Republicans” to support Trump’s primary race.

    This massive coalition was never anticipated back in 2014 when the nomination road map for Jeb Bush was constructed.

    As a consequence several states’ Republican Party Committees began changing their own rules to try and diffuse the Trump risk. Ultimately the goal is to find ways to assist Jeb Bush. North Carolina and Colorado are two previously outlined examples.

    The most ‘in-your-face’ approach comes from Virginia – home of GOPe HQ, where they have now developed a “Statement of Intent” which all Republican voters will be forced to sign prior to voting in the primary.

    Virginia does not require “voter registration by party”, however in an effort to dissuade the non-traditional republican voter they are forcing all voters to swear party allegiance. We can exclusively share with you the required form, along with the obtuse explanation/justification contained therein:

    GOP Statement of Intent
    (To be signed at the Presidential Primary polling booth)

    Virginia does not register voters by political party. Virginia law allows a political party to ask that voters in its Presidential Primary affiliate with that party.

    My signature below indicates that I am a Republican.

    Name / Date / E-Mail address / Phone

    Justified thusly (via RPV leaked memo):

    Today, our Party formally informed the State Board of Elections that the Republican Party of Virginia intends to require a Statement of Intent to be signed by voters in the March 1st Presidential Primary. This request was approved by the State Central Committee on September 19th of this year. Our Party has this option available to us by statute.

    Attached you will find a copy of the proposed Statement of Intent. Previously, our opponents in the media have messaged this as a “loyalty oath” that will hinder the participation of our military and civil servants. As you will find by reading the text of the proposed Statement, the statement was specifically constructed to allow for participation by our military personnel and civil servants.

    The benefits of this statement are twofold. First, this Statement provides us with a huge opportunity to collect data. As you will notice there is an optional line for email addresses. A similar process was used in the 10th Congressional District canvass in 2014, it yielded over 9,000 email addresses that instantly benefited not only our Party but also our nominee. The statement has the potential to add tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of email addresses for the Party and our nominee.

    Second, while that Statement if very broadly construed, it will hopefully deter Democrats from participating in our primary process. Without party registration, preventing Democrats from voting in a state run primary is nearly impossible. Given the critical nature of the 2016 elections, it is imperative to ensure every measure is taken to ensure Republican voters select our Republican nominee and I agree.

    We know that the Democrats and the media will do everything to push back on us on this issue. In 2012, the State Board of Elections claimed that printing the statements would cost the Commonwealth $250,000. To be clear this claim is ludicrous! RPV staff have looked into the situation and the cost of printing for 1 million of the Statements would be around $10,000 and distribution to cities and counties would also come in at less than $10,000.

    Please email me with any questions or concerns on this issue. Thank you for your time. Also please enjoy your Thanksgiving holiday.

    Sincerely,

    John Findlay, Executive Director – Republican Party of Virginia


    However, the brutally obvious question is “why now”? What is it about this primary race that has the GOPe so apoplectic they are requiring pledges and oaths of allegiance?

    From a Virginia RPV insider/source:
    […] the goal is to effectively reduce the number of conservatives, independents, and yes democrats who will vote for a non-GOPe candidate (ie. Trump). Party faithful will gladly pledge their allegiance but the rest will stay home. Specifically the RPV is willing to piss off people who will vote republican just to ensure a GOPe candidate. RVP – HQ is a wretched hive of scum and villainy (see Cuccinelli ’13).
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    Trump is a GOP candidate ....

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    Trump is more for gun rights than you think.

    If anyone is voting for someone else other than Trump, then they are a fool. You may not like him, and as a former NY'er myself, I agree that he is a brash assh0le.....and that is exactly what this country needs right now. We need someone who does not kiss ass, or play the politically correct game.

    Trump has my vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Trump is more for gun rights than you think.
    <snip>

    Trump has my vote.
    I think that DONALD Trump is not a pro-gun guy.

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    He supports BR checks ... an anti position. So he's not a pro-gunner.

    I have not found too many GOP members to not have some anti-gun viewpoints.

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    I do not trust Trump. His tax plan is right out of the Democrat wish list. And I think he is dangerously pandering to the basest of bigotries, phobias, and small mindedness among large segments of those tired of Political Correctness and the feckless professional politicians.

    And yet he is saying some things that desperately need to be said, IMO. On guns, immigration, national defense, and as cheesy and jingoistic as it is, on making America Great Again.

    If he is the GOP nominee, he will have my vote in the general over any of the Democrats. In the primary, I will likely vote for Ted Cruz whose record is better and who is saying many of the same good things in less inflammatory terms...at least when compared to Trump.

    In a sense, as dangerous as Trump's rhetoric could be it is also playing an important and positive role in defining the center by staking out the extremes. I think, compared to Trump, Cruz sounds downright mainstream to many folks who would otherwise consider him far, far too right wing.

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    For anyone willing to learn, Trump shows those who COULD be great candidates how to grow a spine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    For anyone willing to learn, Trump shows those who COULD be great candidates how to grow a spine.

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    Ron Paul > ☆
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    Ron Paul > ☆
    He likes machine gun bans.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul_Gun_Control.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    One of the many concessions I have accepted as a supporter. Didn't say he was perfect, just better than ☆
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
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    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    One of the many concessions I have accepted as a supporter. Didn't say he was perfect, just better than ☆
    He's one of the better GOP members. Hey, he's not a Libertarian !

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    He's one of the better GOP members. Hey, he's not a Libertarian !
    RP is probably the only politician I've openly supported, ever. He almost got my vote.

    Justin Amash is a pretty smart guy though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator
    So in actuality you have no evidence that anything wrong took place, you only believe that it could be spun to appear wrong. But it hasn't been. The truth has a funny way of coming out with persistence, even if it was spun negatively the truth would find its way because these people will not accept less.
    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

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    There are plenty of 'moderate' GOP candidates and members that do not deserve support other than that they are better than other parties' cold blooded anti gun candidates.

    There will probably never be a 'pure' pro gun candidate that makes it to the ballot box with any expectation of winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Just like Cuccinelli in 2013, the establishment Republican Party would rather LOSE the White House with THEIR candidate than WIN without.

    You can most assuredly add "Gun Owners" to the list of those they hold in disregard in the article below.

    This is CRITICAL to the future of gun rights in Virginia, AND the country as a whole.

    I'm no fan of Donald Trump, he is no fan of gun rights, but that doesn't matter, the RPV has their sights set on Jeb Bush, and if he isn't the guy, then they would rather have Hillary Clinton, just as they chose McAuliffe over Ken Cuccinelli.

    This snip from early in the article pretty much sums it up:

    Virginia is an interesting state when it comes to the Republican Party and conservative voters. Partly due to the vicinity to Washington DC, and party due to many of the professionally republican living in the state, the hierarchy of the political party apparatus is blue-blooded GOPestablishment yet base of the voting electorate are vulgarian minded conservatives.

    This historical antagonism has led to exceptionally polarized outcomes; David Brat defeating consummate GOPe Eric Cantor is the most brutally obvious recently.

    TFred
    TFred, RPV is bought and paid for. Trump will get the same treatment that the Tea Party got. Federal NeoCon politics will butter the bread of many local RPV politicians. Have no fear though, when it comes to Commonwealth politics the RPV will be fully responsive to P4P whimpering.
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    And just when I thought nothing could ever get me to vote for a Democrat...

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    More on Trump - many comments here. Those who do not trust him are certainly not in short company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jegoodin View Post
    And just when I thought nothing could ever get me to vote for a Democrat...
    There is no Democrat running for president I could support.

    Hitlery is a proven liar, and incompetent.

    Bernie is a Socialist that expects the 49% of us that work and pay taxes to support the 51% that don't/won't work.

    The idiot former governor of Maryland is a Fascist fool and so anti-gun that he makes Idiot Joe Biden look logical and intelligent.

    NONE of the above will ever get my vote.

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