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    Please Utah: Save us from Ourselves!

    Um, desperate?

    Amid fears over concealed carry permits, Virginia gun owners seek fix from Utah
    Out of concern that their concealed-handgun permits could soon be invalid in other states, Virginia gun owners are rushing to get permits from an unexpectedly distant location: Utah.

    "I wouldn't say a rush. I would say an avalanche," said James Reynolds, president of Proactive Shooters, a Richmond-area firearm instruction company that has added extra Utah-specific classes to keep up with the demand for the state's permits.


    "If you have a concealed handgun permit in Virginia, nothing will change for you in Virginia," Herring said Wednesday in a radio interview on Washington's WAMU, echoing a line from his original announcement on Dec. 22.

    That message doesn't seem to have taken hold among gun enthusiasts, who appear to be seeking out Utah permits out of fear that their home-state permits could lose validity elsewhere. Utah is also one of five states whose permits will still be recognized in Virginia after next month's changes.

    Reynolds, who typically holds monthly classes for 50 students at a time at the Bass Pro Shops store in Ashland, said his January course for Utah permits sold out in 48 hours. He added a second class, which was fully booked within four days. His February and March classes, he said, are filling up fast.

    "Literally every phone call is: 'I'm calling because of the attorney general's decision,' " Reynolds said.

    In a note aimed at residents of states losing recognition in Virginia, the Virginia Citizens Defense League gun-activist group said Utah's permit now offers the most bang for the buck, due to Virginia permits having been "degraded."
    When seeking permission from the Godless State, liberty is degraded.

    But no, you shall worship the State:
    Herring spokesman Michael Kelly said the growing interest in Utah permits is "a consequence of the gun lobby deliberately misrepresenting the impact" of Herring's decision to enforce a reciprocity law approved by the General Assembly.

    "Instead of stoking fears and pushing misinformation, the gun lobby should encourage their members and other safe, law-abiding gun owners to join in support of measures like universal background checks and other measures that respect the Second Amendment while keeping guns away from criminals, domestic abusers, and the dangerously mentally ill," Kelly said.

    Herring, who attended an event at the White House this week as President Barack Obama announced new federal initiatives to reduce gun violence, said he's enforcing a law that previous attorneys general apparently chose not to enforce.

    "Gun violence in Virginia is really front and center for a lot of us," Herring said on the radio show.

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    Ideally, RKBA activists across the nation would take a long-term strategic approach rather than a knee-jerk reaction.

    Those living in States whose permits are not longer recognized by Virginia (and everyone else) should encourage their State legislators to move toward recognizing all permits without regard to issuance requirements. This is a far more productive approach than some kind of tit-for-tat trying to get even with a gun hating governor who would like nothing better than to see overall reciprocity and ability to carry degraded. Don't buy into his game.

    Those living in Virginia should be getting very active, very early in this year's election process to make sure that the latest problems are very temporary.

    Even ignoring the recent problems in Virginia, a Utah permit makes sense for a lot of gun carriers. If a Utah permit makes sense, get one. But don't let that become a substitute for much needed political, social, or perhaps even judicial work. Let's be working hard toward the day when gun carriers no more need a permit to exercise their rights than do newspaper publishers or clergymen.

    All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Thank heaven we do not permit a few to impose anarchy.

    "With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible."

    "Communism and Anarchy [are], a necessary complement to one another. "
    --PETER KROPOTKIN, "Anarchism: its philosophy and ideal." 1898.

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    Well, I enjoyed the article!
    James Reynolds

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    Concealed Firearms Instructor for Virginia, Florida & Utah permits.
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    If we Virginians get a Pennsylvania and Florida non-resident permit, what would adding the Utah non-resident permit give us? Nothing?
    Last edited by glockfan; 01-08-2016 at 12:03 AM.

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    Not sure the state differences for Virginians (FL itself maybe), but the UT permit is less than half the cost of FL, and renewals are less than a third the costs, or something like that. It's pretty significant. I gave up my FL permit since I don't actually go to FL very often, the only state where it was of any use to me, already holding a UT permit.
    Last edited by MAC702; 01-08-2016 at 11:44 AM.
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