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    Democrats look to break guns stalemate in Virginia Assembly

    State Sen. David Marsden, a Fairfax County Democrat who has introduced some of the bills, said he expects both sides will fail given the gridlock over guns, but said he had to try. His legislation includes limiting magazines used in military-style rifles to 10 rounds of ammunition, preventing people with restraining orders from possessing guns and requiring proof of firearm competency to receive a concealed carry permit. “My job is to protect people even from themselves, and as long as I can do that consistent with the Second Amendment, I will,” he said.

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    If that's his job...he should resign.

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    CONSTITUTION OF VIRGINIA
    Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power.
    That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
    I think the guy took an oath to uphold the above.

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    A quote from Marsden "My job is to protect people even from themselves..." Liberty stealing SOB! He needs to be removed from office!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    State Sen. David Marsden, a Fairfax County Democrat .... His legislation includes ... preventing people with restraining orders from possessing guns ...
    He just put in writing the proof that restraining orders don't work. Else why would he need to add another law against them?
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    Given that the militia, composed of the body of the people, trained in arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, then why is training in arms not a compulsory part of K-12 education that is also compulsory? If education is of such importance that it be mandated and paid for with the money of the taxpayer, than that education must include training in arms. To do anything other would be to ignore the mandate of the state constitution and deny the importance of a free state.

    Perhaps what can be shown here is that Senator Marsden, like others, places no value on a free state.
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    add to the above...

    If the mantra of "if it will save even one life" really meant anything to the antis, then Eddie Eagle would be mandatory in all schools, too. It is proven to work making kids safer around firearms and avoiding tragedies. Where is the demand from the other side?
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    Would/does "...preventing people with restraining orders from possessing guns..." apply to cops?

    Are there any cops in VA that are confirmed wife beaters who carry a gun while on the clock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    CONSTITUTION OF VIRGINIA

    I think the guy took an oath to uphold the above.
    Oaths mean nothing to some people. I recall watching NObama swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, and look how much he violated that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    CONSTITUTION OF VIRGINIA

    I think the guy took an oath to uphold the above.
    And if he breaks that oath, what is the punishment? I don't think that there is any; hence, the oath is not an oath at all.

    Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    And if he breaks that oath, what is the punishment? I don't think that there is any; hence, the oath is not an oath at all.

    Right?
    Please cite where an oath, except in a court of law, has a penalty/punishment for failure to uphold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    And if he breaks that oath, what is the punishment? I don't think that there is any; hence, the oath is not an oath at all.

    Right?
    Great point!

    On our tax returns (and concealed handgun permits) we have to swear under penalty of perjury. But, it is a different standard for an oath-breaker in government.

    So, the senior executive's oath isn't really an oath at all. Its just for show.

    Not too unlike Henry VIII. He had to swear a coronation oath to hold the church (Catholic) harmless. Had he refused to swear that oath, he would not have been crowned. Yet, he somehow was not stripped of his crown when he perpetrated The Dissolution (dissolved many of the abbeys, driving out their clergy and stealing their property.)

    Another example comes to mind: Charles I. By the grace of God, king. He openly said that yes, he was bound to obey the law (the English constitution). But, no man had the power to judge him for violating the law. Only God. Same difference as McBeth's point. Charles I's oaths could not be enforced, so they were not really oaths.

    The "oaths" of office by politicians are really just for show (read deception).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Would/does "...preventing people with restraining orders from possessing guns..." apply to cops?

    Are there any cops in VA that are confirmed wife beaters who carry a gun while on the clock?
    Cannot give a definitive answer with numbers and names, but I recall when Lautenberg was first passed there were all sorts of folks whose jobs required the toting of guns that were scrambling to find transfers to non-gun toting positions until it was clarified that they could, if required by the job, carry while on the clock.

    I personally know two cops and one Community Services Officer (used to be called Parole Officer) who carry under the exception.

    As to whether or not they are confirmed wife beaters or otherwise fell into the "crime of domestic violence" bear pit I cannot say.

    (User chiming in with commentary about the fact that Virginia does not have a crime of domestic violence in 3...2...1...)

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