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    If I didn't already have finished 80% AR lowers.....

    ...I'd sure be real tempted to give this a try...

    http://ar15mold.com/freedom-15-5-kit/

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    Thanks for the link. I will put some cash to the side and get this one.

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    Simply proves they cannot uninvent the gun.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    The quality of the mold seems a bit questionable. After watching the videos the system seems a little hokey.

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    Great idea that I have heard kicking around on the Weapons Guild site. I am glad someone is making the attempt to reduce the cost an increase the availability to "common folk". Maybe not yet, but soon. Gotta start somewhere.
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    Wowwie!!!

    Watched the vids,,, Read all the hype...
    Only thing left to do is decide what colors ,, and how big a kit?

    I will,,, order, tonight!!
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    Well,,,

    I Did,, ordered 1 kit, and black dye, an hour ago,,

    total with shipping 361.69$ =72.34$ ea lower with No FFL, no registration!

    resin to make 5 more, brings the cost down to 26$ ea!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

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    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    lots of people will learn that molding is not so easy ... and a 2 part system....expect disappointment

    Casting aluminum is likely easier.

    An you're paying $350 bucks for a 10 dollar mold and 10 bucks worth of resin and 1 buck worth of hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    I Did,, ordered 1 kit, and black dye, an hour ago,,

    total with shipping 361.69$ =72.34$ ea lower with No FFL, no registration!

    resin to make 5 more, brings the cost down to 26$ ea!
    Please keep us updated as to how well it works for you.

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    lots of people will learn that molding is not so easy ... and a 2 part system....expect disappointment

    Casting aluminum is likely easier.

    An you're paying $350 bucks for a 10 dollar mold and 10 bucks worth of resin and 1 buck worth of hardware.
    I was not impressed with the mold design either. IMO It should not have been plastic but rather a harder aluminum maybe a 7000 series alloy.
    Even mild steel or better yet, stainless steel.
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    Really????

    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    lots of people will learn that molding is not so easy ... and a 2 part system....expect disappointment

    Casting aluminum is likely easier.

    An you're paying $350 bucks for a 10 dollar mold and 10 bucks worth of resin and 1 buck worth of hardware.
    cost looks like this to me.
    362 total - 22 shipping - 9.50 dye - 119 resin = 211.50 for the "Reusable" mold.

    mixing the material in a plastic cup,, in my kitchen,, casting a lower on my counter,, priceless!!

    compared to single use sand molds,, a kiln out in the shop,, pouring molten aluminum,, a little more involved!

    maybe molding is not so easy as I saw in the vids,, maybe I will have a disappointment, I am willing
    to take that risk,, looks to me like a fun evening project,, and a chance to thumb
    my nose at the gun control grabbers!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
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    maybe molding is not so easy as I saw in the vids,, maybe I will have a disappointment, I am willing
    to take that risk,, looks to me like a fun evening project,, and a chance to thumb
    my nose at the gun control grabbers!
    Hey if you are not happy you can always argue the point with your credit card company.

    Also, I would call the company and ask them that instead of putting it into an oven after its removed from the mold to leave at room temp ... how long would it be (I would say 1-2 weeks to be the same). I would not put them into an oven that you would use to prepare food. I have a Blue M oven for such use but I doubt such a device is held by the avg person.

    And use putty knives instead of a screwdriver to separate ... I can see mold damage the way that they show it. I would also pre-heat the mold to 100-120F (no higher) to aid in eliminating air pockets.

    If the mold was teflon then maybe I could see the cost. But it looks to be poly ... it costs $$$ to make the molds that make the molds and they can be expensive but I think that they have priced themselves out of the market. Saying it costs $25 to produce one is nice but that is not how the marketplace works.

    The product is likely an epoxy ... the reagents cost about 1-5 dollars a pound. You can ask for the MSDSs for the reagents - that may offer some insight. It could be a urethane, but the costs of those resins are about the same and epoxy is likely a better resin for the end use.

    Now if it was the cost for 5 AR-10 lowers, that would make better $$$ sense to me.

    I can get polymer lowers for 20 bucks .. but I prefer metal, even cast ones.

    Its an interesting product but the cost needs to come down.

    Have fun, post pics of the final product and of your experiences with it.

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    http://gunmold.com/store/index.php?m...&products_id=1

    another place that sells ar molds...last I heard..300 bucks to produce 5 lowers

    Although I have not seen anything positive about this mold & its results...so use due diligence


    http://www.smooth-on.com/index.php?cPath=1120_1155

    place that sells resin for such molds ... 12 lbs = 60 bucks
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    http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.htm...=676733&page=1

    for one wishing to do it from scratch ! ^^^

    With using legos !

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    http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171953297003

    And the mold silicone ... at least one type

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    Once the idea and materials are out their expect things to get cheaper.

    I would like to see some test fire reports.

    Looks like the one lasted around 300 rounds interesting a lot of work can be done with 300 rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Once the idea and materials are out their expect things to get cheaper.

    I would like to see some test fire reports.

    Looks like the one lasted around 300 rounds interesting a lot of work can be done with 300 rounds.
    Agreed on both counts.

    But it's not that it only has a 300-round service life that would concern me. It's HOW it notifies you that it's reached the end of its service life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Agreed on both counts.

    But it's not that it only has a 300-round service life that would concern me. It's HOW it notifies you that it's reached the end of its service life.
    The most failure points include: a) pins for firing control (can be minimized using a box-type trigger group) and b) where the buffer tube connects (can be solved with a metal bracing).

    But why not just cast metal? Hey if it breaks, you can just melt it back down:




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    [QUOTE=davidmcbeth;2176210]
    But why not just cast metal? Hey if it breaks, you can just melt it back down:

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    Because casting metal takes a lot more heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
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    But why not just cast metal? Hey if it breaks, you can just melt it back down:

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    Because casting metal takes a lot more heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post

    And Herself gets very hissed when doing this on the kitchen table.
    LOL this is a fun thread !

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    Well,,,

    Sooooo,,, 10 days later, and I find a box on my porch,, its my package!!
    Inside I find two cans of juice, an assembled mold and some pages of MSDS papers,, oh yea and some black die...
    Their are no instructions!!! the vids I watched are my guides.

    The molds are Not injection molded,,, they are machined!.
    The bits and pieces fit very tight,
    and its like a Chinese puzzle,
    I plan to drill 5 more holes for through bolts to hold it closed tighter.

    More reports to follow,,,,,
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Sooooo,,, 10 days later, and I find a box on my porch,, its my package!!
    Inside I find two cans of juice, an assembled mold and some pages of MSDS papers,, oh yea and some black die...
    Their are no instructions!!! the vids I watched are my guides.

    The molds are Not injection molded,,, they are machined!.
    The bits and pieces fit very tight,
    and its like a Chinese puzzle,
    I plan to drill 5 more holes for through bolts to hold it closed tighter.

    More reports to follow,,,,,
    Keep us updated thks
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Sooooo,,, 10 days later, and I find a box on my porch,, its my package!!
    Inside I find two cans of juice, an assembled mold and some pages of MSDS papers,, oh yea and some black die...
    Their are no instructions!!! the vids I watched are my guides.

    The molds are Not injection molded,,, they are machined!.
    The bits and pieces fit very tight,
    and its like a Chinese puzzle,
    I plan to drill 5 more holes for through bolts to hold it closed tighter.

    More reports to follow,,,,,
    I knew they were machined from the video. From the design I saw, you should not need the extra bolts.

    Just be careful with the sealant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Sooooo,,, 10 days later, and I find a box on my porch,, its my package!!
    Inside I find two cans of juice, an assembled mold and some pages of MSDS papers,, oh yea and some black die...
    Their are no instructions!!! the vids I watched are my guides.

    The molds are Not injection molded,,, they are machined!.
    The bits and pieces fit very tight,
    and its like a Chinese puzzle,
    I plan to drill 5 more holes for through bolts to hold it closed tighter.

    More reports to follow,,,,,
    At least you can get some sleep now ! No pics? Bummer. Maybe next post. You should not need anymore clamping ... if it leaks a tiny bit ya just take that part off easy enough.

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