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    Foster parents canít lawfully carry guns in Oklahoma around their foster children

    If you want to be a foster parent in Oklahoma, or to be a prospective adoptive parent, you need to sign a ďWeapon Safety Agreement,Ē which provides: ...
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    Stephen and Krista Pursley, who have fostered 34 children in Oklahoma are suing (with the help of the Second Amendment Foundation). They argue (among other things that) this violates the Second Amendment. They argue it violates the Oklahoma Constitution, which provides, ...
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    By the way, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation people tell me there are 239,490 concealed carry permits in Oklahoma; since I suspect that most people have at most one permit per household, letís say thatís about 180,000 households. The census reports that there are about 1,450,000 households in Oklahoma, so about 1/8 of all households have someone with a concealed carry permit.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/v...yAgreement.pdf

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/v...yComplaint.pdf

    http://oklegal.onenet.net/oklegal-cg...1-1289.24.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-in-oklahoma-
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    Utah's child welfare agency (and what an oxymoron that term is in most cases) tried this a few years ago and found they were in violation of State Preemption. They had no choice but to relent. They now go no farther than to require that guns be kept locked up if not actually being carried.

    While one might suppose that rules against having guns in the home are based on sincere safety concerns, I have to wonder how much they are also (or instead) based on some rather ugly--if un-admitted--bigotries against gun owners. Does the Oklahoma child welfare agency ban alcohol inside foster homes? Does it ban those who might be on some kind of pain medication from being foster parents? What about homes with swimming pools? Or motorcycles? Do they actually require that kitchen knives or household chemicals be kept locked up?

    Lots of household items pose a much higher risk to the safety of adolescents and children than do firearms.

    I suspect that in most cases, these types of rules about guns have far more to do with "those kind of people" being entrusted with children, than with any real safety issues.

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    Safety, smafty .... I don't even build guns with safeties ...

    I don't know if any intentional death attempts, and likely little if any, were actually prevented via a safety.

    As far as storage goes .. you should store them as you see fit.

    How can you teach your kids gun safety w/o a gun? duh

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    It's for the kids people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaki View Post
    It's for the kids people
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    Won't someone think of the children!
    Considering most of the birth parents I have met, I'm more inclined to carry than not

    As someone who has been... let us say, close to the issue... I have two statements about interaction with DHS.

    First of all the only thing close I remember reading is that daycare regulations require that firearms and ammo be locked separately, but my wife and I talked about this news story, and we do not remember ever seeing or signing any form similar to this. Maybe it is supposed to be applied statewide but I would be interested to know how many offices do or don't actually included it with the foster parent contracts.

    Secondly, we have unfortunately had various DHS employees in and out of our home for years (family's worker, child's lawyer, child's worker etc. All different people with roughly "monthly" visits, and there may be 2 people turnover in the worker positions annually.) Certainly many have had occasion to see me arriving or leaving while carrying. Right now I only remember my wife telling me she saw them noticing once or twice. Too many liberals in social services of course to be open about it. No formal question, notices, documentation, etc. Too much paperwork maybe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    Utah's child welfare agency (and what an oxymoron that term is in most cases) tried this a few years ago and found they were in violation of State Preemption. They had no choice but to relent. They now go no farther than to require that guns be kept locked up if not actually being carried.

    While one might suppose that rules against having guns in the home are based on sincere safety concerns, I have to wonder how much they are also (or instead) based on some rather ugly--if un-admitted--bigotries against gun owners. Does the Oklahoma child welfare agency ban alcohol inside foster homes? Does it ban those who might be on some kind of pain medication from being foster parents? What about homes with swimming pools? Or motorcycles? Do they actually require that kitchen knives or household chemicals be kept locked up?

    Lots of household items pose a much higher risk to the safety of adolescents and children than do firearms.

    I suspect that in most cases, these types of rules about guns have far more to do with "those kind of people" being entrusted with children, than with any real safety issues.

    Charles
    Excellent points! However, and there is always a however...

    I firmly believe it is the near dictatorial rule that a DCPS has over any citizen who responsibly raises/cares for kids. The complete lack of any questioning/skepticism by LE and the "justice system" that enables the dictatorial mindset that permeates a DCPS. In fact, cops will likely refuse to believe their own eyes when they are called upon to do the bidding of a DCPS goon.

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