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    UT campus carry task force urges schools to ban guns in as many places as possible

    A campus carry task force issued a report this week encouraging schools ban firearms in five types of facilities, in violation of the law.

    In September, more than 150 faculty members even signed a petition declaring that they would ban concealed carry in their classrooms, regardless of the law’s provisions or any rules that might be adopted by their institutions.

    http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7169
    Hmm...it seems that not all Texans are as dedicated to individual liberty as the purport themselves to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Hmm...it seems that not all Texans are as dedicated to individual liberty as the purport themselves to be.
    Ivory tower eggheads of academia with no grounding in reality whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qednick View Post
    Ivory tower eggheads of academia with no grounding in reality whatsoever.
    Boy is that ever an understatement.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Hmm...it seems that not all Texans are as dedicated to individual liberty as the purport themselves to be.
    I would bet most of the eggheads are imports; having been around academia most my life (lived in a university town growing up & married am academic librarian) few prof were natives of the state they were teaching in or got their degrees in the state.

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    It's not just being native to the state, or even the country. This influence of social liberalism, or perhaps more correctly liberal socialism, is pervasive in academia.

    Based on their theories (which are constantly repeated) and their research (which never provides replicable results) that they know what is best for everybody, and would work if people would just follow their directions, we find ourselves with a bunch of "teachers" who keep spouting the party line regardless of contrary evidence that just will not go away. The world really is flat, and the sun and other planets do revolve around the Earth, no matter what other folks might think just because their telescopes tell them differently.

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    It is to be expected. If you allow guns somewhere, where they were prohibited before, there will be a push back. It is not unreasonable turn of events, whatsoever. It should have been expected.

    In addition, whenever you will find academia, you will mostly find that it is against any forms of harm (unless they are paid to research by DOD, to develop some new kind of weapon).

    I'd like to also add, most professors who have tenure, they are given a huge leeway to do what they want, how they want, and how often they want in relationship of their own classes. Therefore, it would seem to such professors that inability to dictate their own policy in their own classes as tyrannic.

    Add all these together and you will have very unhappy professors. Again, it was apparent to happen, no surprise here. They are testing waters to see what is a new limit to their reach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    I would bet most of the eggheads are imports; having been around academia most my life (lived in a university town growing up & married am academic librarian) few prof were natives of the state they were teaching in or got their degrees in the state.
    But don't forget, it was a Kalifornian who came to Wyoming and fought and got your constitutional carry. Of course Kalifornia would claim he is a mental defect. Arizona is having the same problem. Kalifornians leave complaining about Kalifornia than want the natives of the state they emigrated to adopt their same perverted concept of freedom.

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    Do they even offer a suggestion as to how to safely handle/store firearms that are carried normally and then banned in a particular location? Will they consider themselves at all liable for thefts and accidents because of their policies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Do they even offer a suggestion as to how to safely handle/store firearms that are carried normally and then banned in a particular location? Will they consider themselves at all liable for thefts and accidents because of their policies?
    That applies to court houses also. Having no place to lock-up my firearm at the court house means it is locked-up in my car. BAD, BAD, BAD.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    That applies to court houses also. Having no place to lock-up my firearm at the court house means it is locked-up in my car. BAD, BAD, BAD.....
    Regarding a skrool of high learing, look to the state of Kansas and the choice they gave their skrools of high learning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    But don't forget, it was a Kalifornian who came to Wyoming and fought and got your constitutional carry. Of course Kalifornia would claim he is a mental defect. Arizona is having the same problem. Kalifornians leave complaining about Kalifornia than want the natives of the state they emigrated to adopt their same perverted concept of freedom.
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    UT being 4 blocks up Congress from the Capitol will get its teeth kicked in by AG Paxton if they attempt any of this. I expect restrictions w/b just the Health Center, some kiddie classrooms in the Education bldg., and something in the dorms.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Felons for Open Carry View Post
    It is to be expected. If you allow guns somewhere, where they were prohibited before, there will be a push back. It is not unreasonable turn of events, whatsoever. It should have been expected.
    Well, it is unreasonable, even if it's predictable. Some people are predictably unreasonable.


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    In addition, whenever you will find academia, you will mostly find that it is against any forms of harm (unless they are paid to research by DOD, to develop some new kind of weapon).
    I think I know what you mean, but I don't think that's a fair statement. Some would consider physical, potentially life-threatening vulnerability being made a prerequisite for class attendance to be a form of harm. More broadly, many of the theories taught by these "liberal" professors could easily (and are, outside of their little classroom worlds) be argued harmful, from multiple perspectives even.


    I know you aren't trying to make excuses for the professors, I just want to reiterate that their behavior is not excusable.
    Advocate freedom please

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    Well, it is unreasonable, even if it's predictable. Some people are predictably unreasonable.

    I think I know what you mean, but I don't think that's a fair statement. Some would consider physical, potentially life-threatening vulnerability being made a prerequisite for class attendance to be a form of harm. More broadly, many of the theories taught by these "liberal" professors could easily (and are, outside of their little classroom worlds) be argued harmful, from multiple perspectives even.

    I know you aren't trying to make excuses for the professors, I just want to reiterate that their behavior is not excusable.
    The profs should be given one of two choices, work or leave. Condition of employment. There are plenty of profs not currently working who would be more than willing to check their personal beliefs at the classroom door and get the job they are paid to do done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    The profs should be given one of two choices, work or leave. Condition of employment. There are plenty of profs not currently working who would be more than willing to check their personal beliefs at the classroom door and get the job they are paid to do done.
    We have a winner.

    Indeed, aren't we just talking about government (PUBLIC) schools? Wouldn't a private school be allowed private property restrictions? Go work there. Oh, what, you aren't good enough to get that job? Shut the hell up, then.
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    regardless of the law’s provisions or any rules that might be adopted by their institutions.

    This part..... this part I have trouble with. Who the heck gives you the right to disregard the law because you do not agree with it? As has been said many times, We are a Nation of Laws.

    I live in a smallish college town. Instructors are leftover hippies who just kept going to class until they were employed there. They live on campus in a little utopia that has no basis in reality. Problem is, they teach this cr@p to our children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    regardless of the law’s provisions or any rules that might be adopted by their institutions.

    This part..... this part I have trouble with. Who the heck gives you the right to disregard the law because you do not agree with it? As has been said many times, We are a Nation of Laws.

    I live in a smallish college town. Instructors are leftover hippies who just kept going to class until they were employed there. They live on campus in a little utopia that has no basis in reality. Problem is, they teach this cr@p to our children.
    Tenure...think about it. Without tenure profs would be focusing on metric based results from their efforts in the classroom. They would then be held accountable for their biases that may have a impact on cash flow. Works every time it is tried in corporate America.

    Then again, tenure ensures that the prof's creative juices flow to be sure that little Betty and Johnny receive a well rounded edje-me-cashun.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

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    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Sounds like they want a judge to strike ALL the "no carry" zones down.

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    Breaking the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    We have a winner.

    Indeed, aren't we just talking about government (PUBLIC) schools? Wouldn't a private school be allowed private property restrictions? Go work there. Oh, what, you aren't good enough to get that job? Shut the hell up, then.
    I probably shouldn't say this but I doubt they will listen so here goes:

    Dear Liberal Professors at Texas Universities,

    I'm not a lawyer but I'll bet plenty of them in the Attorney General's office will want to speak to you if you intentionally violate the law. Oh sure you can sign a letter and SAY you will, but who among you will actually do it? Usually tenure is enough to protect you from the consequences of exercising your "academic freedom" (what's known in the real world as "idiocy") but I'm willing to place a small wager that breaking the law in a very high-profile way is a bridge too far.

    Oh sure, you'll call it civil disobedience but we'll call it "termination for cause". Normally you might even be able slide by while sticking it to your bosses who, after all, are liberal professors, too. They get it and might not even come after you very hard. Notice I said "normally". The reason it is different this time is because this isn't a faculty lounge debate about due process and appeals committees. You will have angered powerful members of the Texas Legislature. And the governor. Not that you care, but your boss's, boss's, boss is appointed by that same governor and confirmed by those senators. Those darn hack political appointees might force the administration to have much more of a backbone than they usually would. In fact, it might be your scalp or theirs. Especially if the Legislature starts talking about retribution to the institution's budget. But hey, they'll stand by you, right? On principle. Not tolerate interference with the "learning process" and talk truth to power! Right ...

    This is, actually, a win for you and I know you planned it this way all along being the clever Ph.D that you are. Sure you get fired and everyone in the Texas academic community has to beg and plead to minimize the damage as the Legislature considers changes to the tenure system and to campus carry reducing the discretion that boards now enjoy. Sad to be them given the damage you've caused but LTCs are happier. As for you, your courageous fight in mean ole redneck Texas has made you a cause celebe and earned you a job (at a higher rank, naturally) in the University of California system at Berkeley. This is your dream job! That'll show 'em.

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    Nice Letter

    I like it. You should all send one to him, the school, and the school board. Let them know how "The People" feel. It is all about "feelings" you know. Give 'em their own meds.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    texas university (we refuse to call it The University) has been a liberal outcropping in a liberal (or maybe more justly, libertarian) city. Imported professors and t.u.-educated professors who want to emulate the east coast ivy leaguers of their dreams. The goal seems to be to create soft, academic elites rather than well-educated bootstrappers who can be smart and tough. (Texans have long thought of t-sips - the spawn of t.u. - as smart but too liberal to be useful.)


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    Update from liberal biased Dallas Morning News - UT Austin to allow profs to ban guns in their government provided offices and second discriminates in favor of revolvers....UT has about 12 schools in various Texas cities other than Austin
    http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.c...us-carry.html/


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    I think the issue of not having a round chambered will be litigated soon. Nothing like going unarmed to a gun fight. And the danger increases exponentially when requiring people to manipulate a weapon for no purpose. Like the guy who shot himself thru the wrist while trying to I chamber a round when storing his gun in the car between bars. (You could see thru his wrist after it happened)


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    Some eggheads never learn till they are dead...

    Came across this guy's story. You have to read through the whole article till you get to the punch line...

    Does he sound like an American, or what...

    None of us are safe. The challenge for us and for our students is how to dwell in that awareness and still be courageous enough to live and learn unarmed, both literally and figuratively.



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    Gosh, if only we could pass sufficient laws in order to make murder, assault, and the shooting of innocents illegal, we could finally be rid of such heinous crimes altogether!

    Just one more "gun-free" zone should do it.

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