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    Question PPCC Concealed Carry Inquiry

    So I just moved to Colorado from Nevada. I was raised in Colorado so basically I just returned home. I will be enrolling in PPCC within the next few months and wanted to know what the status of CCW is at this college. I've googled and come up with the following:

    http://ppcc.edu/%2Fservices%2Fpublic-safety%2F

    Now according to this I have to leave my CCW in my car while attending classes. However I was under the impression we're allowed (as valid CCW permitees) to carry concealed in class due to certain court decisions. I don't know if I am mistaken or not.

    Can someone clarify for me?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Note that Pikes Peak Community College is listed at the URL linked above.

    https://www.cccs.edu/wp-content/uplo...09/SP19-10.pdf
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    Hm. Anybody else have any other thoughts on this?

    What should my next step be in getting clarification?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSan View Post
    Hm. Anybody else have any other thoughts on this? What should my next step be in getting clarification?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSan View Post
    So I just moved to Colorado from Nevada. I was raised in Colorado so basically I just returned home. I will be enrolling in PPCC within the next few months and wanted to know what the status of CCW is at this college. I've googled and come up with the following:

    http://ppcc.edu/%2Fservices%2Fpublic-safety%2F

    Now according to this I have to leave my CCW in my car while attending classes. However I was under the impression we're allowed (as valid CCW permitees) to carry concealed in class due to certain court decisions. I don't know if I am mistaken or not.

    Can someone clarify for me?

    Thanks in advance!
    You're reading it wrong. Sorry, to be blunt. From your link here are the pertinent bits:

    "Board Policy states that no person may have on his or her person any unauthorized firearm,"
    Unauthorized is the key here because:

    "Persons authorized to carry firearms and other equipment defined in the policy are:
    3) Those persons who have been issued a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun in accordance with Colorado’s Concealed Carry Act, C.R.S. § 18-12-201, et seq. and who are acting in compliance with the requirements of that Act..."
    So if you have a valid CHP in CO, you are authorized to carry. Just follow the law. However, if you are not an authorized person:

    "It shall not be an offense if the weapon remains inside a locked motor vehicle upon the real estate owned by the State Board for Community Colleges and Occupational Education."
    You only need to lock your firearm up if you are not otherwise authorized to carry it. Having a CHP authorizes you to carry, therefore no need to lock it up.

    Further, the portion at the end which states:

    In accordance with Colorado Statute CRS 18-12-214(3)(a), a concealed weapon permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked.
    Applies only to the previous paragraph which reminds you that CO state laws bans bringing guns onto public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school property. In accordance with CRS 18-12-214 (3). Further they clarify that this only applies to The Classical Academy (TCA) facility on Rampart Range Campus and to Falcon Campus. So unless you are going to PPCC to attend the classical academy, or you will be attending on those 2 campuses, you are clear to carry on campus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mobiushky View Post
    You're reading it wrong. Sorry, to be blunt. From your link here are the pertinent bits:



    Unauthorized is the key here because:



    So if you have a valid CHP in CO, you are authorized to carry. Just follow the law. However, if you are not an authorized person:



    You only need to lock your firearm up if you are not otherwise authorized to carry it. Having a CHP authorizes you to carry, therefore no need to lock it up.
    However this:

    In accordance with Colorado Statute CRS 18-12-214(3)(a), a concealed weapon permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked.

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    Board Policy on Violence/Firearms on Campus, BP 19-10:

    Procedure: Persons authorized to carry firearms and other equipment defined in the policy are: ... 3. Those persons who have been issued a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun in accordance with Colorado’s Concealed Carry Act, C.R.S. § 18-12-201, et seq. and who are acting in compliance with the requirements of that Act; ...

    https://www.cccs.edu/wp-content/uplo...09/SP19-10.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    It is five years old, ask for a more recent version if one exists.
    ...ooops! Sorry, mobiushky beat me to it.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    It is five years old, ask for a more recent version if one exists.
    I'm still confused by this:

    In accordance with Colorado Statute CRS 18-12-214(3)(a), a concealed weapon permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked.
    Should I just call the college for clarification?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSan View Post
    I'm still confused by this:

    Should I just call the college for clarification?
    Application: This procedure applies to the state system community colleges
    18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions. ...

    (3) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school; except that:
    I only know what the CRS and policy states explicitly. I do recommend calling to determine if the policy, as written, is up to date and effective. Download the pdf and forward it to the responsible party in PPCC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSan View Post
    I'm still confused by this: Should I just call the college for clarification?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    How will you know if they are lying?
    ...or, why would you believe them even if it is the answer you are desiring.

    Get it in writing (e-mail).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    ...or, why would you believe them even if it is the answer you are desiring.

    Get it in writing (e-mail).
    Someone want to do the legwork? Lol. Someone with more experience than I finding this stuff out?

    In Nevada I had no issues. Had a lot of help from the Open Carry guys in the Nevada forum. But I am a Colorado novice. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSan View Post
    I'm still confused by this:



    Should I just call the college for clarification?
    I addressed that section. The thing that confuses you only applies to elementary, junior high, and high school campuses. Because PPCC operates The Classic Academy on 2 campuses that are owned by the school district, when you are at those campuses you have to follow CRS 18-12-214(3)(a), but ONLY on those campuses. If you are not on those campuses, that portion does not apply. If you go to the academy, you're too young to have a CCW, so you must be over 21 anyway. Which means you're not likely in the academy. Which means you won't likely go to those 2 campuses at all. So, carry away as long as you follow the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSan View Post
    Someone want to do the legwork? Lol. Someone with more experience than I finding this stuff out?

    In Nevada I had no issues. Had a lot of help from the Open Carry guys in the Nevada forum. But I am a Colorado novice. Lol.
    Legal Affairs - https://www.cccs.edu/directory/?cn-s=&cn-cat=57

    Has e-mails to the legal team for CCCS.

    Student Conduct of PPCC - http://www.ppcc.edu/student-conduct

    Firearms on Campus - Board Policy states that ...

    3. Those persons who have been issued a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun in accordance with Colorado’s Concealed Carry Act, C.R.S. § 18-12-201, et seq. and who are acting in compliance with the requirements of that Act; and ...

    Concealed Handgun Permit holders exercising their rights pursuant to Item #3 above are responsible for preventing the casual or inadvertent display of their handgun.


    http://www.ppcc.edu/services/public-safety/
    No OC it seems.

    Anyway. Start with the legal team linked above for the CCCS and then ask for the PPCC legal team, name of a person, contact info.

    You are now on your own. Let us know how things turn out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSan View Post
    Someone want to do the legwork? Lol. Someone with more experience than I finding this stuff out?

    In Nevada I had no issues. Had a lot of help from the Open Carry guys in the Nevada forum. But I am a Colorado novice. Lol.
    D, you profess to be entering a college (ok, i concede, abet a community college) to begin an educational pursuit...do your own research and then bring it to the table to discern if you have gone down the right path or wandered astray instead of whining...SOMEONE ELSE DO IT FOR ME!!

    you plan on asking your instructors to do the legwork for your course work??

    finally, step out and take accountability of your own research...what are you going to do tell a nice LE or the judicial system....wait, wait, i didn't know cuz OC4ME gave me those cites and well, geez it isn't my fault i didn't research the information to make sure they did/didn't apply or apply critical thinking skills to assure they were even applicable.

    ipse

    edit'd: you were given information and 'are confused about' and should i call the community college...call the nice secretary at the CC and ask them the question and follow their advice completely...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Legal Affairs - https://www.cccs.edu/directory/?cn-s=&cn-cat=57

    Has e-mails to the legal team for CCCS.

    Student Conduct of PPCC - http://www.ppcc.edu/student-conduct

    No OC it seems.

    Anyway. Start with the legal team linked above for the CCCS and then ask for the PPCC legal team, name of a person, contact info.

    You are now on your own. Let us know how things turn out.
    Thanks. =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSan View Post
    Thanks. =D
    You can conceal carry on your person, absolutely anywhere except bona-fide gun free zones and dorms, with a valid permit on a public university/college campus.

    The bona-fide gun free zone is going to have metal detection devices and law enforcement officers present to screen you.

    The page you link to states you can carry with a permit OR if you don't have a permit to leave your handgun locked in you vehicle.

    I don't know why this forum has so many issues with basic reading comprehension, but they probably write these laws so confusing so it discourages people from carrying.

    I conceal carry on CU Boulder campus everyday. I carry a gun into labs, around visiting school children, and into professors offices, it doesn't matter, it's all legal.

    Public University/Colleges have no legal jurisdiction to restrict the carrying of concealed weapons by permitted individuals.

    If you have some time to kill read the ruling to see that.

    https://www.courts.state.co.us/Court...10/10SC344.pdf

    You're confusing the statue about K-12 public schools which you have to leave your handgun locked in a vehicle.

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