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    Going on a Cruise

    Hey there folks.

    I am not sure this would be the appropriate forum but if not, MODS please move it to the correct one.

    It looks like I'll be going on a cruise here in a few weeks and am wondering what to do with my pistol. Obviously I know that I can't carry on a foreign registered ship that's traveling out of country (Bahamas). I was planning on simply taking one of my less expensive pieces then disassembling it and hiding it in a small lockbox under the spare tire in my trunk.

    However...I have read that in the port of Palm Beach (FT Lauderdale) they will search your car in the port? Can anyone share experience? I'll be driving the 14 hours down to Florida and would rather not go naked but also rather not press my luck on taking a pistol in a place prohibited. Was planning on parking in the cruise lines "secure parking" but am not sure if that is inside the port or not.

    Any advice is much appreciated.

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    alternatively get a small safe physically mounted into your vehicle in a semi hidden place besides the wheel well http://www.fieldandstreamshop.com/p/...708&cadevice=c

    do not purchase one of these as they are easily torqued out of shape and the lock pops open http://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Lockb.../dp/B00FATWGSU

    this way you do not have to disassemble one of your least expensive pieces in the parking area under their watchful cameras.

    enjoy your trip...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoastieKid804 View Post
    It looks like I'll be going on a cruise here in a few weeks and am wondering what to do with my pistol. Obviously I know that I can't carry on a foreign registered ship that's traveling out of country (Bahamas). I was planning on simply taking one of my less expensive pieces then disassembling it and hiding it in a small lockbox under the spare tire in my trunk.

    However...I have read that in the port of Palm Beach (FT Lauderdale) they will search your car in the port? Can anyone share experience? I'll be driving the 14 hours down to Florida and would rather not go naked but also rather not press my luck on taking a pistol in a place prohibited. Was planning on parking in the cruise lines "secure parking" but am not sure if that is inside the port or not.

    Any advice is much appreciated.
    No data on the Palm Beach port, but I took a cruise out of Orlando (Port Canaveral) about 9 years ago. No searching of the car. Getting on the ship, however, passengers were subjected to airport style security, with the exception being the ship does allow liquids to be carried on.

    This is not just a "foreign registered" ship or those that are making ports of call outside the US. So far as I know, every cruise line--including the very rare line with US flagged ships--now implements the same type of "security".

    I didn't want to leave my gun in the rental car parked in the parking lot, so I made arrangements (before leaving home) for the manager at the hotel where I stayed before and after my cruise, to secure my case (locked with my lock) inside the hotel's safe while I was on the cruise. Some risk there, but I figured if I got any bad vibes I could fall back on putting the gun in the trunk. No bad vibes and no problems.

    I can't imagine anything more than a cursory check of your vehicle at the parking lot; just too labor intensive to do the kind of search that finds a lock box under a spare tire.

    Of course, double check and make sure that parking lots at ports are not legally defined off limits locations and comply with the law.

    And please, report back when you return from your cruise and let us know what you learn.

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    Forgetting forum rule #15 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Forgetting forum rule #15 ?

    (15) WE ADVOCATE FOR THE 'LAW-ABIDING' ONLY: Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here. Even if you feel that a law is unconstitutional we do not break it, we repeal it or defeat it in the courts.
    Nope.The question was if anyone had taken a cruise out of this port. My main point being, if the secured parking is indeed within the port, is the port off limits legally or if this would be a policy issue. If it is illegal to do, I obviously would go without or make alternate arrangements for storage. If it was a policy prohibition with only the risk of being asked to leave if caught, I might stash it and go with it.

    My main question was if anyone had further information or advice on how to carry while staying legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoastieKid804 View Post
    Nope. If you learn to read you'll notice that my question centered around trying to stay legal with my pistol. The question was if anyone had taken a cruise out of this port. My main point being, if the secured parking is indeed within the port, is the port off limits legally or if this would be a policy issue. If it is illegal to do, I obviously would go without or make alternate arrangements for storage. If it was a policy prohibition with only the risk of being asked to leave if caught, I might stash it and go with it.

    My main question was if anyone had further information or advice on how to carry while staying legal. Based on a priliminary (sic) trolling of the forums, someone who routinely has his posts deleted or threads locked due to rule breaking, I really don't think you're in any spot to lecture anyone on the rules.
    wow your criticism is bit harsh isn't it w/a side of degrading comments to a member...and on your fourth post no less...

    i also have had my posts deleted due to someone's feelings being hurt per se... does that make the information i presented any less viable, especially if it suits your needs and inclination?

    finally coastie, are you sure his rule reference was directed at you or do you have a guilty conscience?

    just saying...

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    noted your interesting use of the word 'trolling'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    wow your criticism is bit harsh isn't it w/a side of degrading comments to a member...and on your fourth post no less...

    i also have had my posts deleted due to someone's feelings being hurt per se... does that make the information i presented any less viable, especially if it suits your needs and inclination?

    finally coastie, are you sure his rule reference was directed at you or do you have a guilty conscience?

    just saying...

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    noted your interesting use of the word 'trolling'...
    While I will admit I may have been harsh and perhaps should have asked for a clarification, I will nonetheless stand by my point that it seems a bit double standards to lecture ANYONE (whether it was towards me which it seemed, or towards another) when you yourself have a tendency to violate said rules frequently.

    If the mods wish to issue a warning for a rule violation or something close to it, it is their job. While it may have been my fourth post here, I am a long time reader of OC.org and have hundreds of posts on deloc.org which has almost carbon copy rules.

    So, to DavidMcbeth, should I have misread or interpreted your post incorrectly, my apologies. Mea culpa.

    As always, I seek to stay within legal bounds. Occasionally I will venture out of policy bounds if it would not result in any law breaking.
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    I read nothing in the OP that so much as hinted at any intention to violate any law. McBeth's accusation to the contrary seems unwarranted to me. I think the OP's original response was well within bounds. For solus to lecture anyone on civility is beyond hypocritical.

    Seems some folks could have an argument in an empty room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    [ ... ]Seems some folks could have an argument in an empty room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    I read nothing in the OP that so much as hinted at any intention to violate any law. McBeth's accusation to the contrary seems unwarranted to me. I think the OP's original response was well within bounds. For solus to lecture anyone on civility is beyond hypocritical.

    Seems some folks could have an argument in an empty room.
    While I stand by the essence of what I said (practice what you preach) I will acknowledge that the way I said it could be construed as a personal attack. Hence my self edit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    A mirror helps with the echo.


    And I guess for some folks, a good look in a mirror would be reason to start an argument with the jerk staring back on them.
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    I just wanted to add that my sister in-law was detained, interviewed and had to sign a statement because they found a single bullet in her purse. This was inside the terminal, but it was still a little crazy. At first I thought she had lost her mind and forgot that she had an actual gun in her purse the way they acted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post


    And I guess for some folks, a good look in a mirror would be reason to start an argument with the jerk staring back on them.
    mate, i am so glad you have found another mate to chat with...

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    Getting back on topic...

    To steer this back on course, while searching through other forums I found a thread on defensivecarry.org which suggests that storage of a firearm in your personal vehicle is not only not illegal but not against policy either.

    In the thread, the OP contacted the administration of the port of Miami (I'll be leaving from the port of Palm Beach) and they administrator advised that there are specific areas which it would be illegal to possess a firearm (deliniated by fencing and signage that it is a restricted area) but in the general secure parking lot it is legal (though he doesn't recommend it due to the parking area not being regularly patrolled by security and not totally immune to car burglaries).

    I am going to attempt contact with the administration of Port of Palm Beach but since they are in the same state and authority I suspect I will get a similar response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoastieKid804 View Post
    To steer this back on course, while searching through other forums I found a thread on defensivecarry.org which suggests that storage of a firearm in your personal vehicle is not only not illegal but not against policy either.

    In the thread, the OP contacted the administration of the port of Miami (I'll be leaving from the port of Palm Beach) and they administrator advised that there are specific areas which it would be illegal to possess a firearm (deliniated by fencing and signage that it is a restricted area) but in the general secure parking lot it is legal (though he doesn't recommend it due to the parking area not being regularly patrolled by security and not totally immune to car burglaries).

    I am going to attempt contact with the administration of Port of Palm Beach but since they are in the same state and authority I suspect I will get a similar response.
    first a did your other forum you are quoting have a cite for this kinda, well maybe, could be suggestion?

    (sarcasm on) oh yes it is always a good idea to contact the fox watching the hen house to see what they have made up which contravene statute. (Sarcasm off)

    have you researched the ordinances of the state and palm beach?

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    I do not know about that port but what I do when have to enter ports and military bases all over the country is check my gun in at a local gun shop. I have found most are glad to do it; I just call them ahead of time and ask, some will charge you $5 to $10 dollars

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1970roaddog View Post
    I do not know about that port but what I do when have to enter ports and military bases all over the country is check my gun in at a local gun shop. I have found most are glad to do it; I just call them ahead of time and ask, some will charge you $5 to $10 dollars

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    nice thought and could ask them to do an ultrasonic cleaning and check out for a couple of bucks more...

    welcome and great suggestion...

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    not sure if the military installations would allow you to put it in their armory if you provided your own locked carrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoastieKid804 View Post
    ... I am going to attempt contact with the administration of Port of Palm Beach but since they are in the same state and authority I suspect I will get a similar response.
    http://www.portofpalmbeach.com/141/Security

    It appears to apply to employees, yet "No firearms are permitted on the port except those carried by law enforcement officials."

    A call to clarify is recommended.
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    You will not be parking in the 'restricted area', where firearms are prohibited. You can't even get in one without a TWIC or an escort. Sort of like trying to get on a runway at an airport.

    Florida Statutes 311.12(3)(b)
    The seaport must provide clear notice of the prohibition against possession of concealed weapons and other contraband material on the premises of the seaport. Any person in a restricted area who has in his or her possession a concealed weapon, or who operates or has possession or control of a vehicle in or upon which a concealed weapon is placed or stored, commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. This paragraph does not apply to active-duty certified federal or state law enforcement personnel or persons so designated by the seaport director in writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    first a did your other forum you are quoting have a cite for this kinda, well maybe, could be suggestion?

    (sarcasm on) oh yes it is always a good idea to contact the fox watching the hen house to see what they have made up which contravene statute. (Sarcasm off)

    have you researched the ordinances of the state and palm beach?

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    Wow gee I didn't think about thaaat! (Sarc).

    The OP in that thread sent an email to the head of security for the port of Miami. While he has no authority over the port of Palm Beach (hence the suggest part of what I wrote) he explained that as long as the OP did not attempt to get onto the terminal and was simply storing his pistol in his car it would be legal. Under Florida statute 790.06 possession of a firearm in a port would be legal (a port is not listed as a prohibited place). It would be illegal to carry into the secure areas which are under the jurisdiction of the Coast Guard and would be federally illegal. Florida also has strong firearm law preemption.

    Understanding their preemption I feel perfectly fine contacting them to ask if there are any policies in contravention of the law. An anonymous email asking the policy of firearm storage in a private vehicle is not going to cause them to start searching all vehicles or raise their alert level.

    From reading others posts, they DO ask when you first enter if there are any weapons in the vehicle. From my research it would appear this is simply a policy. Being that is simply a policy and not a law, it would appear I could do as others have done and simply say no and I would still be legal. Similar circumstances to carrying concealed when a sign says no guns (as long as this sign doesn't carry the force of law like Virginia versus say, Texas).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1970roaddog View Post
    I do not know about that port but what I do when have to enter ports and military bases all over the country is check my gun in at a local gun shop. I have found most are glad to do it; I just call them ahead of time and ask, some will charge you $5 to $10 dollars
    Does the gun shop have to run a background check before returning the gun to you? And if so, how does this work if you are out of your home State?

    You said you do it all over the country, so it sounds like it works ok. Just looking for some details.

    This is a really good idea.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by utbagpiper View Post
    Does the gun shop have to run a background check before returning the gun to you? And if so, how does this work if you are out of your home State?

    You said you do it all over the country, so it sounds like it works ok. Just looking for some details.

    This is a really good idea.

    Thanks.

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    They have never run a background check. a few have call the serial number in to verify it is not stolen. I have found a lot of the gun shops around bases and ports have gun lockers to hold guns, I have always call the base or port first to let them know why I am coming in and that I have a firearm and if they know of a gun shop that will hold my gun, most the time they do if not a start making calls starting with the closest to the base. Some will ask you to provide a locking gun box also

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1970roaddog View Post
    They have never run a background check. a few have call the serial number in to verify it is not stolen. I have found a lot of the gun shops around bases and ports have gun lockers to hold guns, I have always call the base or port first to let them know why I am coming in and that I have a firearm and if they know of a gun shop that will hold my gun, most the time they do if not a start making calls starting with the closest to the base. Some will ask you to provide a locking gun box also

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    theoretically, they should treat the firearm as one coming in for service and therefore must log the firearm in their A/D book by S/N etc., (of course, except for McBeth who never ever did that when he was a FFL in days of yore) and give the patron a claim ticket to assure there is no liability issue. this precludes the need for a background check according to BATF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    theoretically, they should treat the firearm as one coming in for service and therefore must log the firearm in their A/D book by S/N etc., (of course, except for McBeth who never ever did that when he was a FFL in days of yore) and give the patron a claim ticket to assure there is no liability issue. this precludes the need for a background check according to BATF.

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    Not quite accurate. DM does not own a gun that he has not manufactured at home, himself, and as such, according to DM, a serial number is not on any of his untold number of guns. It really make life easier, cops can't run a serial number that does not exist even if the violate the his "no contact" order. DM has it all figured out...except posting the video/audio recordings of his much publicized exploits. Still waiting for those I am.
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