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    Florida open carry bill shoots through house committee

    http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/sto...ouse-committee

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    The Florida House Judiciary Committee paved the way for open carry Thursday, approving a measure to legalize a bill allowing open carry-- the bill’s last stop before heading to the House floor -- by a vote of 12-4.

    Only one Democrat, Rep. Michelle Rehwinkel Vasalinda, D-Tallahassee, voted to approve the measure.

    HB 163, sponsored by Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Shalimar, would make it legal for concealed carry permit holders to carry their firearms in public. Anyone who willfully infringes on concealed weapons permit holders’ right to openly carry (like law enforcement officers) would face a $5,000 fine. Government entities who try to infringe upon the open carry rule could face an even higher penalty, $100,000.

    Florida law currently prohibits open carry.

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    The first step in the journey. May the wind blow fair.
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    Love the penalty clauses! God speed Florida!

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    Quote Originally Posted by qednick View Post
    Love the penalty clauses! God speed Florida!
    They're only valuable if the offender is personally liable. If a police officer can just offload the penalty onto his department it's no deterrent at all. It's also no deterrent if municipal budgets are designed to include such costs up front, so you can pay for your own oppression via taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    They're only valuable if the offender is personally liable. If a police officer can just offload the penalty onto his department it's no deterrent at all. It's also no deterrent if municipal budgets are designed to include such costs up front, so you can pay for your own oppression via taxes.
    You might be right but it's better than a poke in the eye...and more than we got in Texas.

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    All the republicans talked out of both sides of their mouth in the hearing. They had not done much research. It will be interesting if it gets more hearings in the anti gun senate.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    All the republicans talked out of both sides of their mouth in the hearing. They had not done much research. It will be interesting if it gets more hearings in the anti gun senate.
    How many more committees does it have to pass in the senate? I hate getting my hopes up like 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas49.56 View Post
    How many more committees does it have to pass in the senate? I hate getting my hopes up like 2011.
    Two, Judiciary and Rules. I wouldn't get too excited.

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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Two, Judiciary and Rules. I wouldn't get too excited.
    Portilla is doing his duty and blocking any gun bill from passing Judiciary.

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    I don't know how the Florida House and Senate rules but if it succeeds in the house general floor vote does the house bill then go to the Senate for a floor vote? Or do we have to get the companion senate bill through the Senate committees and floor vote to get to the governors desk?


    Basically do we need both bills to pass or can one bill pass through both houses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raventai View Post
    I don't know how the Florida House and Senate rules but if it succeeds in the house general floor vote does the house bill then go to the Senate for a floor vote? Or do we have to get the companion senate bill through the Senate committees and floor vote to get to the governors desk?


    Basically do we need both bills to pass or can one bill pass through both houses.
    One bill could get the job done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    One bill could get the job doe.
    Good deal, this bill still has a chance.

    I hear the house floor vote is probably a yea, any ideas on state senate floor chances? Governor Scott has stated he will sign it, so the Florida senate is the main hurdle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raventai View Post
    Good deal, this bill still has a chance.

    I hear the house floor vote is probably a yea, any ideas on state senate floor chances? Governor Scott has stated he will sign it, so the Florida senate is the main huddle?
    Yep, they are huddling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Yep, they are huddling.

    Lol, fixed, auto correct is great, most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raventai View Post
    I hear the house floor vote is probably a yea, any ideas on state senate floor chances? Governor Scott has stated he will sign it, so the Florida senate is the main hurdle?
    Portilla has reportedly been ordered to block it in Judiciary. Even if it would pass a floor vote it will never get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    Portilla has reportedly been ordered to block it in Judiciary. Even if it would pass a floor vote it will never get there.
    And who, pray tell, is the one who "ordered" him to block it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADulay View Post
    And who, pray tell, is the one who "ordered" him to block it.

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    It's not that he is ordered. He's an anti gun Commie from Cuba. Lots of other brown shirt republicans are content with the status quo and Portilla is willing to take the fall. I'd say OC has about a 5-10% of going through this session. Even if Portilla doesn't hear it, it can still go right to the senate floor. I'd say there is about a 1% chance Andy Gardiner would do that. He's also not very pro gun rights. There are only a few really pro gun senators.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADulay View Post
    And who, pray tell, is the one who "ordered" him to block it.
    Senate President Andy Gardiner. Note that Portilla has already refused to schedule a hearing on campus carry, killing it. The man is a menace and a disgrace to the Republican party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    Senate President Andy Gardiner. Note that Portilla has already refused to schedule a hearing on campus carry, killing it. The man is a menace and a disgrace to the Republican party.
    I don't know about that. In any case, Gardiner is now the only chance for this session. Portilla just said he'd kill it unless OC were taken out of the OC bill.

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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Right. Portilla is killing every gun bill that comes his way. Until he's removed or the senate stops pushing gun bills through his committee we'll never pass OC or campus carry (or any other loosening of carry restrictions). If the rumors are true that Gardiner is allied with him our chances dropped even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    I don't know about that. In any case, Gardiner is now the only chance for this session. Portilla just said he'd kill it unless OC were taken out of the OC bill.

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    i don't understand how one man gets so much power in a democratic republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer6 View Post
    i don't understand how one man gets so much power in a democratic republic.
    That's what I don't understand.

    1000 people say we need to "New Law A". Many others say "New Law A" is good. Most everyone agrees that "New Law A" is good for Florida.

    ONE GUY says "I hate it" and it's dead??

    What the hell is that all about. How does one guy get that much power over the rest of the "unwashed masses"?

    Can he be vetoed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADulay View Post
    That's what I don't understand.

    1000 people say we need to "New Law A". Many others say "New Law A" is good. Most everyone agrees that "New Law A" is good for Florida.

    ONE GUY says "I hate it" and it's dead??

    What the hell is that all about. How does one guy get that much power over the rest of the "unwashed masses"?

    Can he be vetoed?

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    It's a double edged sword. This way a bunch of crap law is blocked also.

    Portilla could be vetoed by Gardiner but that won't happen. With African Americanen as senate president we have a chance but not until 2017.

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    Open carry hits full house Tuesday

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016...uesday-act-now

    Our only hope is if there will be some bartering between the two chambers. Otherwise you have to wait another year.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Well, a couple Dems came out with like 25 proposed amendments today.

    Most are silly, many would be ruled unconstitutional.

    Like prohibiting a round in the chamber of an openly carried firearm, no open carry within 500 feet of a movie theater, religious institution, polling place, etc. Then the 10 round mag limit.

    And a bunch of other BS. Most likely all will be defeated.

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