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Banned
I assume that the use of force bill is being put forward in the legislature partly on the request of or by persons who wish to help the Seattle police have greater guidance in their use of force, given the DOJ instructions and the fact that some people in the spd are not happy with the decrees or whatever has been somewhat decided. Note that the use of force bill also preempts any local attempts to restrict the allowable use of force.
A few things of interest . . . use of deadly force is justified to arrest or apprehend a person who is committing or has committed a felony . . . Robbery is a felony. I actually think it should be ok to use deadly force to stop a guy who has been doing robberies . . . or is threatening a robbery or has made the threats that often constitute the beginning of a robbery.
My question is why this guidance on deadly force use seems to be restricted to protecting law enforcement officers and whether or not regular individuals have the same power to resist robbers and/or arrest or apprehend them with means including deadly force.
There is this and there is this . . .
A south Austin store owner shot a suspected get-away driver after an attempted robbery. Police say the shooting appears to be justified.
and
JEFFERSON COUNTY - One person was shot and killed in Littleton Sunday morning following a robbery attempt.
The incident happened in the 5400 block of South Taft Court. The Jefferson County Sheriff's Office says the homeowner was trying to sell an item on Craigslist when the two men who responded tried to rob him. The homeowner was tied up but broke free and confronted the suspects with a gun.
One man was shot while driving away and he crashed into a house after losing control of the car. He died a short time later. . .
LITTLETON, Colo. -- The victim of an armed robbery in his home could face criminal charges.
The homeowner shot and killed a man Sunday morning who came into his home in the 5400 block of South Taft Court after responding to a Craigslist ad.
The Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office and the Jefferson County District Attorney's Office are weighing the evidence in deciding whether charges are appropriate.
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I would like the bill, especially with the following changes:
1) members of the public have the same legal rights to use deadly force as the law enforcement officers . . .
and
2) you have the right to use deadly force to stop persons from fleeing armed robberies.
So, the next question is whether or not you have the right to use deadly force to stop, arrest or apprehend persons who did or began unarmed robberies.
"Your money or your life," but with no gun or knife visible. "Your cell phone, wallet or camera or your life" with no gun or knife visible, etc.
Also, the other question is how one may allegedly legally react to attempted or threatened unarmed assault.
A few things of interest . . . use of deadly force is justified to arrest or apprehend a person who is committing or has committed a felony . . . Robbery is a felony. I actually think it should be ok to use deadly force to stop a guy who has been doing robberies . . . or is threatening a robbery or has made the threats that often constitute the beginning of a robbery.
My question is why this guidance on deadly force use seems to be restricted to protecting law enforcement officers and whether or not regular individuals have the same power to resist robbers and/or arrest or apprehend them with means including deadly force.
There is this and there is this . . .
A south Austin store owner shot a suspected get-away driver after an attempted robbery. Police say the shooting appears to be justified.
and
JEFFERSON COUNTY - One person was shot and killed in Littleton Sunday morning following a robbery attempt.
The incident happened in the 5400 block of South Taft Court. The Jefferson County Sheriff's Office says the homeowner was trying to sell an item on Craigslist when the two men who responded tried to rob him. The homeowner was tied up but broke free and confronted the suspects with a gun.
One man was shot while driving away and he crashed into a house after losing control of the car. He died a short time later. . .
LITTLETON, Colo. -- The victim of an armed robbery in his home could face criminal charges.
The homeowner shot and killed a man Sunday morning who came into his home in the 5400 block of South Taft Court after responding to a Craigslist ad.
The Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office and the Jefferson County District Attorney's Office are weighing the evidence in deciding whether charges are appropriate.
***
I would like the bill, especially with the following changes:
1) members of the public have the same legal rights to use deadly force as the law enforcement officers . . .
and
2) you have the right to use deadly force to stop persons from fleeing armed robberies.
So, the next question is whether or not you have the right to use deadly force to stop, arrest or apprehend persons who did or began unarmed robberies.
"Your money or your life," but with no gun or knife visible. "Your cell phone, wallet or camera or your life" with no gun or knife visible, etc.
Also, the other question is how one may allegedly legally react to attempted or threatened unarmed assault.
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