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    Youths' attraction to Sanders shows education failure. OU Prof. David Deming. Pro 2A

    http://newsok.com/article/5475578

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_...on_gun_control

    There should be as well an article titled Adults' Attraction to Trump, Bloomberg, Clinton, Obama shows education failure. In 2000 Deming was widely castigated for analogizing, with good effect, from an unregistered gun to unregistered sex organs.
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    Socialism isn't so much a legitimate economic system as it is a moral failing. It will always exist because ignorant people will always want something for nothing. If we want to retain our freedom and prosperity, then we must educate our children that the purpose of government is to secure liberty, not provide free lunches.
    David Deming...not very astute.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    David Deming...not very astute.
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    His analogy of the unregistered vagina is pretty spot on.

    That's why we have such an upswell of transgender people. They're unregistered, meaning we don't know how many are out there, using their unregistered sex organs illegally.

    We need a registration system!

    (sarcasm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb View Post
    His analogy of the unregistered vagina is pretty spot on. That's why we have such an upswell of transgender people. They're unregistered, meaning we don't know how many are out there, using their unregistered sex organs illegally. We need a registration system! (sarcasm)
    They're trying to convince us that they are the majority no longer silent.
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    I have to disagree with Prof. Deming. When you consider the fact that the objective of the current education system is to indoctrinate and brainwash the youth of the nation into the liberal/socialist agenda, I'd say it was a complete success of the education system. Now, it's a failure of society that let the education system get to this point.
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    It will always exist because ignorant people will always want something for nothing.
    Most liberals are not ignorant they are knowing exactly what they wish to accomplish. The public education system is in its current state due only to liberals. David Deming remain not very astute.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    I have to disagree with Prof. Deming. When you consider the fact that the objective of the current education system is to indoctrinate and brainwash the youth of the nation into the liberal/socialist agenda, I'd say it was a complete success of the education system. Now, it's a failure of society that let the education system get to this point.
    And I would think that this liberal agenda being put to students has been going on for 40 years, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    I have to disagree with Prof. Deming. When you consider the fact that the objective of the current education system is to indoctrinate and brainwash the youth of the nation into the liberal/socialist agenda, I'd say it was a complete success of the education system. Now, it's a failure of society that let the education system get to this point.
    This^^^ Im glad someone pointed this out.

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    So how did y'all savants escape, the educational objective having been in place since John Dewey.

    The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    So how did y'all savants escape, the educational objective having been in place since John Dewey.

    The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt

    Free unabridged 700+ pages PDF http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf

    $30 500 pages abridged from AmaXon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0966707117
    Folks may judge for themselves. http://www.iep.utm.edu/dewey/

    Anyway, some folks live in a place and some folks are from a place. If Dewey was involved in the "downfall" of our education system then he, nor his legacy, never much went south of the Mason/Dixon. Country folk can see through yankee bush-league psych-out stuff!
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    .........When you consider the fact that the objective of the current education system is to indoctrinate and brainwash the youth of the nation into the liberal/socialist agenda, I'd say it was a complete success of the education system. Now, it's a failure of society that let the education system get to this point.
    And we all watched it happen. My Son went back to college after Iraq. He said it was a constant argument with the instructors and a liberal agenda. The "bern" attitude was all over the campus. We have heard stories of this over and over and NOW we are paying for it. College? More like re-education camps. AND in case you have not been paying attention, they are doing the same bloody thing with common core for the young ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStack View Post
    ... It doesn't matter if they are right or wrong. It only matters what they believe.
    Some folks will not vote Santa out of office...until then, voting is not that important.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    I have to disagree with Prof. Deming. When you consider the fact that the objective of the current education system is to indoctrinate and brainwash the youth of the nation into the liberal/socialist agenda, I'd say it was a complete success of the education system. Now, it's a failure of society that let the education system get to this point.
    sorry De, i must point out a major flaw in your statement, in that to be able to achieve the objective your stated, the leaders must be smart enough to develop and be able to put such a plan into place and have educated folk be able to carry it out with the nation's youth/young adults.

    that aspect simply does not exist in the current educational K-12 & community college system of this country!!

    teachers themselves are poorly educated using substandard barebone curriculum and materials and even then, students are allowed to slip by with mediocre knowledge and skills.

    today, 70% fail to graduate HS and critics blame the students. (http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/20...anson.h29.html)

    54% of African Americans graduate from high school, compared to more than three quarters of white and Asian students and African American twelfth-grade students read at the same level as white eighth-grade students. (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/...ung-black-men/)

    the "average" American reads at a 7th or 8th grade level

    as i stated De, there is no entity smart enough to plan and decimate this society's education to our youth...WE did it all on our own, without a conceived notion in place and it personally disgusts me WE allowed it to happen!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Some folks will not vote Santa out of office...until then, voting is not that important.
    Ilya Somin makes the point of the marginal value of an individual vote in his book on political ignorance. Ones vote is never that important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Ilya Somin makes the point of the marginal value of an individual vote in his book on political ignorance. Ones vote is never that important.
    Another pencil neck.

    Ilya Somin should have studied geography, or how about sitting in on a class or two since he is working at George Mason.

    https://www.yahoo.com/travel/the-cou...259113974.html

    A little advice, friendly advice that is, routinely dredging up these pencil-necks to make a point, that are not likely your own points, only diminishes the pointed/poignant points you do make that seem to be your own points.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Another pencil neck.

    Ilya Somin should have studied geography, or how about sitting in on a class or two since he is working at George Mason.

    https://www.yahoo.com/travel/the-cou...259113974.html

    A little advice, friendly advice that is, routinely dredging up these pencil-necks to make a point, that are not likely your own points, only diminishes the pointed/poignant points you do make that seem to be your own points.
    LOL Aww, go on wi' yourself! It is my point that any one vote is of marginal vanishing value, a drop in a vast ocean of stupidity and ignorance! Learn sortition. Read The Open Society and Its Enemies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    LOL Aww, go on wi' yourself! It is my point that any one vote is of marginal vanishing value, a drop in a vast ocean of stupidity and ignorance! Learn sortition. Read The Open Society and Its Enemies.
    "Ones vote is never that important." is now "...any one vote is of marginal vanishing value..."

    Anyway, any one vote could be of major importance depending on the zip code you reside in. Pencil-necks professors often forget (ignore?) the practical application of the voting process because they are largely immune from the effects of the voting process...heck, they are largely immune from the effects of their own vote (even if it don't really count all that much)...once tenured that is.

    Find a quarter then flip it into the air and await the result for a contested vote.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    How would a coin toss, a lottery, be worse? The advantage of sortition is the absence of politicians in favor of mere taxpayers.

    What's the contrary opposite of a pencil neck, a no-neck tattooed bearded bumpkin? I'll take the geek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    How would a coin toss, a lottery, be worse? The advantage of sortition is the absence of politicians in favor of mere taxpayers.

    What's the contrary opposite of a pencil neck, a no-neck tattooed bearded bumpkin? I'll take the geek.
    Over-thinking this is not serving you well.

    Coin toss was the last resort after a "liberal democratic" based voting process failed the voters.

    There is always a exception to a rule and every vote is vital. If a vote is not vital then no vote is vital and thus your vote is not needed and your desire to vote is irrelevant.

    http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/32954

    I wonder if the resident of Buford WY peruses OCDO to read that his vote is not needed due to his vote being irrelevant.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    the citizenry's vote is not needed whatsoever. in fact, quote: four times in our nation's history, the person who took the White House did not receive the most popular votes (Rutherford Hayes, Benjamin Harrison John Quincy Adams, and George W. Bush). unquote.
    http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroo...ecprocess.html

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    PS: the 'unbiased' coin toss worked so well in Iowa don't ya think nightmare? almost as well as the chad debacle!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    the citizenry's vote is not needed whatsoever. in fact, quote: four times in our nation's history, the person who took the White House did not receive the most popular votes (Rutherford Hayes, Benjamin Harrison John Quincy Adams, and George W. Bush). unquote.
    http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroo...ecprocess.html

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    PS: the 'unbiased' coin toss worked so well in Iowa don't ya think nightmare? almost as well as the chad debacle!!
    How did George W. Bush get on that final ballot? Someones vote had to count.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    How did George W. Bush get on that final ballot? Someones vote had to count.
    mother bush put it there...

    on a serious note, then there should be another election ANY time there is irregularities such as occurred in FL with the chads, oh wait in IA,

    tho, Chicago elections have special dispensation cuz it is tough to hold another election and to raise the dead to vote again.

    finally, who elects the electoral college members? quote: Each state shall appoint, in such manner as its legislature may direct, a number of electors equal to the whole number of senators and members of the House of Representatives to which the state may be entitled in the legislature.

    Electors have failed to vote for the candidates to whom they were pledged, as in the case of the elector who jumped from Michael Dukakis' ticket to that of Lloyd Bentsen. And William Jefferson Clinton did not win more than 50% of the popular vote in the three-way presidential race of 1992. Clinton did, however, win the electoral vote and become president. unquote.

    http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroo...ecprocess.html

    But let's talk about reality...here is a list of controversial elections in this country:

    United States of America New York gubernatorial election, 1793 - John Jay received more votes than George Clinton, but on technicalities the votes of Otsego, Tioga and Clinton counties were disqualified and not canvassed, giving George Clinton a slight majority in the official result.


    Bleeding Kansas election, March 30, 1855 - An election to decide whether Kansas should be a free state or a slave state involving massive immigration to sway the vote and resulted in post-election violence, including a severe beating of a US Senator by a Congressman. The events it encompasses directly presaged the American Civil War.


    United States presidential election, 1876 - One of the most disputed and controversial presidential elections in American history between Samuel J. Tilden and Rutherford B. Hayes, resolved by the Compromise of 1877.


    New York State Senate election 1891 in Dutchess County

    United States presidential election, 1960[1] Some accounts claimed that mobster Sam Giancana and his Chicago crime syndicate played a role in Kennedy's victory in Illinois



    United States presidential election, 2000

    New Hampshire Senate election phone jamming scandal, 2002

    United States presidential election, 2004

    Washington gubernatorial election, 2004

    Iowa caucuses, 2016

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...sial_elections

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