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    Conceal carrying without having your license on you - crime according to KSP

    "If you're carrying concealed and you do not have this license with you, then you're in violation of the law. It's a Class A Misdemeanor," said Lt. Col. Yates. (KSP)

    I thought it was just a fine. Not an actual "go-to-jail" offense.

    KRS 237.110 (15)
    The licensee shall carry the license at all times the licensee is carrying a
    concealed firearm or other deadly weapon and shall display the license upon
    request of a law enforcement officer. Violation of the provisions of this
    subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of twenty-five
    dollars ($25), payable to the clerk of the District Court, but no court costs shall
    be assessed.

    http://www.wdrb.com/story/31201263/l...important-step

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    Looks like you have another government official blowing smoke....

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    Quote Originally Posted by poetdante View Post
    KRS 237.110 (15)
    The licensee shall carry the license at all times the licensee is carrying a concealed firearm or other deadly weapon and shall display the license upon request of a law enforcement officer. Violation of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of twenty-five dollars ($25), payable to the clerk of the District Court, but no court costs shall be assessed.
    http://www.wdrb.com/story/31201263/l...important-step
    I completely agree with this, not having a license in one's possession does Not mean one is un-licensed, not any more than a teacher having his certificate in hand means he/she is an unlicensed teacher, or someone without his/her diploma in their back pocket mean they are not a HS or College graduate. It merely means that prima facie proof is not at hand and must be produced at a later date.

    Not long ago, Georgia brought the penalty for not having a weapons license in immediate possession in line with the penalty for not having a driving license in one's immediate possession; a $10.oo court fine if a valid license was produced later in court. Sounds quite logical, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    My next task is to contact Lt. Col. Yates and show him what a fool he has made of himself.
    If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with ********. In other words, standard operating procedure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post

    There will be no "dazzle" and no "*********". Just plain simple truth.
    I think CoL was referring to the dear Lieutenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    My next task is to contact Lt. Col. Yates and show him what a fool he has made of himself.
    Instead, since the truth is on your side, why not make a "friend"?

    Don't we have enough 'alienated' people? Why trade some momentary 'neener-neener' for some good will and show that handgun carriers are 'a cut above'?

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    What is the advantage to the citizen to have the KSP send them a letter informing the citizen to come pick up their license over the KSP just sticking the license in the same envelop that the notification would go in?

    Does Kentucky also require driving licenses to be picked up in person?

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    Mail gets lost every day. When you pick up your CCWL you show ID and pay for it


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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    My next task is to contact Lt. Col. Yates and show him what a fool he has made of himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Katie George has fulfilled her promise to me and edited her article. I think she has corrected all of the errors. Here is the new version:

    http://www.wdrb.com/story/31201263/louisville-ccw-permit-applicants-forget-the-most-important-step
    Interestingly, she made it appear that the cop got the information correct this time, by fixing the information in his direct quote as well. Am I the only one that kind of has a problem with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    That is a very good question. Is this what passes for good journalism, today; just change a quote that has been attributed to someone and then pass it off as their original words?
    In fact, the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. I suggest a follow-up letter to her editor, asking that very question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    [FONT=arial black]Yes, a Ky. drivers license is picked up by the licensee at the circuit clerks office.
    Ahhhh,,, the idea that the government would do a service and then ask for payment rather than demand payment before rendering services didn't even occur to me.

    In GA you pay the Sheriff's Office/Probate Court at the time of the application (assuming that someone is going to push the button to request a background check and do prints no matter what) and then mails out the permit within a set amount of time. There was a big brouhaha about one county demanding SASE to mail a notice back to the citizen that he could spend his time and money to come down to the court and pick up his license instead of sticking said GWL in the envelope and sending it.

    Mail might occasionally get lost, but the reprinting of a license is mere pennies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    And how do you suggest that I do that? Bake him a cake? This man is second in command of the largest sheriff's department in the state. If I just keep my mouth shut, he will assume that everything he said is correct, or that we are just as stupid as he thinks we are. Pointing out all of his errors might make him realize that the gun owners of Ky. are not as stupid as he thinks we are and that we are watching everything he says and does. Maybe he'll be embarrassed enough to either learn to keep his mouth shut, when he doesn't know the facts or maybe he'll actually read the law and try to understand it. I don't need any "friends" like him. He has enough people kissing up to him for him to notice my kissing up, I'm not very good at it either. ...
    +1

    Hold the source accountable not the reporter.
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    I can't do a follow-up letter, which is the only kind of letter that would make any sense. It was a suggestion, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Today, I got a reply from Lt. Col Yates. He was very apologetic and gracious. He said, "Thank you for insightful response. As a 45-year law enforcement and military veteran, I have to fall on the sword on this one. No excuses, I simply Screwed up." ...
    How about sharing your "insightful response" so that newbies and others can learn from your approach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    Originally Posted by gutshot
    Today, I got a reply from Lt. Col Yates. He was very apologetic and gracious. He said, "Thank you for insightful response. As a 45-year law enforcement and military veteran, I have to fall on the sword on this one. No excuses, I simply Screwed up." ...
    How about sharing your "insightful response" so that newbies and others can learn from your approach?
    You mean to teach some youngins about wisdom?

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    In hindsight, wisdom can be overrated.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    In hindsight, wisdom can be overrated.
    In that it is gutshot, it is wisdom....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    ...It is important that it have no (or at least very few) spelling or grammar mistakes and that you you don't come off as a lunatic (of course, if you are a lunatic, you probably won't know what makes you sound like a lunatic). ...
    Great note!

    <<< certified lunatic, btw.
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    Correct, it's not from insightfulness or from wisdom, it is from his extraordinary intellectual and creative power in dealing with this matter.

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    Great Job!
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    Sounds like Lt. Col. Yates is a class act, and a credit to the KSP. Also, nice work Gutshot for setting things straight and all the work you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post

    Thanks JohnKelly, but Lt. Col. Yates is not with the KSP. That was a mistake in the OP. He is in the Jefferson Co. Sheriff's Dept. and he is a class act.
    Not a mistake, the original article had him listed as a Lt.Col with the KSP

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