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    Scalia Dead - Supreme Court No longer has a Gun Friendly Majority

    Fox News just reported Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia has died.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Obongo get to nominate another left wing Supreme Court judge. We are really up a creek without a patal now

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    I guess we don't get to rest in peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang1952 View Post
    Obongo get to nominate another left wing Supreme Court judge. We are really up a creek without a patal now

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    We are only up a creek if Senate Majority Leader McConnell allows the nomination out of committee. No vote to confirm a Supreme Court nomination can happen unless Republicans let it happen.
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    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    As much as you guys hate voting for the lesser evil, we are up a creek if Hillary is elected. Hopefully the Senate can hold up any appointment until after inauguration if Cruz, or Trump win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    We are only up a creek if Senate Majority Leader Paul Ryan allows the nomination out of committee. No vote to confirm a Supreme Court nomination can happen unless Republicans let it happen.
    You mean Mitch 'The Weasel' McConnell

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    Justice Scalia, longest-serving on high court, dies after hunting trip

    Justice Scalia died in his sleep Friday night after a hunting trip in Texas, according to reports.

    He was the longest-serving current justice on the Supreme Court. He was appointed by President Ronald Reagan in 1986.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...has-died-repo/
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    Gun owners are so screwed.
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    Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force.
    Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    We are only up a creek if Senate Majority Leader Paul Ryan allows the nomination out of committee. No vote to confirm a Supreme Court nomination can happen unless Republicans let it happen.
    We will find out what Paul Ryan is made of....

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    Gun owners, gun possessors are not screwed because we can make the choice to be screwed or be screwers. I will not live a disarmed subject.

    Gun possessors yet to be may be screwed, but that is their choice too. Let US hope they recognize and realize and make the right choice in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    We are only up a creek if Senate Majority Leader Paul Ryan allows the nomination out of committee. No vote to confirm a Supreme Court nomination can happen unless Republicans let it happen.
    Which means we are definitely up a creek.

    And while some will take some joy in pointing at the RINO establishment Republicans were every bit as responsible for screwing us as was Obummer, won't make the screwing any less damaging.

    And it isn't just guns. With apologies for the non-RKBA related topic, the issue of EPA rule making creating brand new law and killing our ability to generate electricity is this nation is a most serious matter for not only our quality of life, but for rule of law and size of the federal government.

    Looked at another way, what is the longest we've ever had a vacancy on the court? It is at all reasonable to think the GOP could credibly keep Obama from appointing a new justice for the next 11 months until he is out of office?

    A democrat president and a GOP senate: we might hope for them forcing him to nominate a moderate. But I don't expect the GOP to go even that far. Sadly, my own senior Senator, "borrin" Orrin Hatch is so deferential to presidential appointees it is like he only sees "..consent" under his duties while utterly failing to notice the whole "advise and..." that precedes it.

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    Pete Williams: I'd Be "Very Surprised" If Senate Even Considers Supreme Court Nominat

    I would be very surprised, frankly, if a vacancy can be filled in time for the next term to start when it starts in October, but it's such an unexpected thing, such a sudden thing, it's such a shock, and that's the way these things tend to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    You mean Mitch 'The Weasel' McConnell
    Yes that is what I mean
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    You mean Mitch 'The Weasel' McConnell
    Unfortunately you are correct..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    We are only up a creek if Senate Majority Leader McConnell allows the nomination out of committee. No vote to confirm a Supreme Court nomination can happen unless Republicans let it happen.
    Exactly. The question is will the Senate allow it?

    Historically, they've had little reason not to allow it.

    In light of so many people in Congress calling for Obozo's impeachment, I don't think that they would allow it.

    Sorry to hear of his passing. Not exactly the most opportune time.

    Do you think Obozo will attempt to appoint himself, taking up residence on January 21, 2017?
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    I doubt that a replacement justice will be nominated/confirmed until AFTER the elections. If a republican will be our next president, then Obama has every incentive to get whomever confirmed that he can, i.e. a moderate...otherwise he takes the risk that a new republican administration (and likely congress) will be appointing a solid conservative.

    If on the other hand, the next president happens to be a democrat or a socialist ... the Second Amendment will be in SERIOUS trouble.
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    Republicans rule out replacing Antonin Scalia until new president is elected

    Democrats said that with 11 months left in Mr. Obama’s tenure, the Senate has enough time — and indeed an obligation — to confirm a replacement.

    Mr. McConnell, though, said voters must be given a say in the matter, and that means picking a president who will nominate the replacement.

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    Pete Williams: I'd Be "Very Surprised" If Senate Even Considers Supreme Court Nominat
    Hmmmm. I wonder what that would mean for all the new cases between now and then.

    I seem to recall that SCOTUS holds conferences to decide which cases to accept. Does waiting until after the election to confirm a replacement mean that if a conference vote is 4-4 on accepting a particular case in the meantime, that appellant does not get review?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Hmmmm. I wonder what that would mean for all the new cases between now and then.

    I seem to recall that SCOTUS holds conferences to decide which cases to accept. Does waiting until after the election to confirm a replacement mean that if a conference vote is 4-4 on accepting a particular case in the meantime, that appellant does not get review?
    Actually, the court typically hears a case if 4 of 9 justices vote to hear it. It would stand to reason that 4 of 8 would also be sufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    You mean Mitch 'The Weasel' McConnell
    At least a weasel has a spine and some have a pair....... it is more like Mitch
    "The Jellyfish" McConnel.

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    Does anyone realize that the Senate is currently in recess? The head twit can actually appoint whomever he wants anytime between now and the 22nd without Senate approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    Does anyone realize that the Senate is currently in recess? The head twit can actually appoint whomever he wants anytime between now and the 22nd without Senate approval.
    http://www.scotusblog.com/2016/02/is...urt-an-option/

    In short, yes he can try. But that doesn't mean it would be successful. Also even if it were somehow successful it would only go until 3 January 2017, at which time a new person would have to be nominated. Now I wouldn't want to think what damage could be done in just 11 months, it is at least some solace that it wouldn't be an overly long appointment. At which point the new President would ultimately decide things.

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    The law professors at The Volokh Conspiracy have learned commentary on Justice Scalia's untimely passing and the controversy of recess appointments of SCOTUS, mentioning particularly Abe Fortas, also that the democrats wanted to restrict POTUS's ability to change the make up of the court during an election year.

    But then, of course, they have been disparaged as "pencil necks" here by their no-neck betters. As we Slouch Towards Gomorrah.
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