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    unpaid student loan + owning a gun = SWAT TEAM?

    Big government and debtors prison.

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    It is wrong in principle, but a thirty year old debt kind of does away with any sympathy.

    My doctor daughter paid off her $200K in eight years in January - driving the same fifteen year old clapper Civic.
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    Nobody forced these 'special snowflakes' to accept the $$$$ for their education.
    Guess who gets to pay off all those Government-Issued unpaid student loans?

    WE do.

    Tactics Excessive? ...maybe
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    Effective? YES!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shovelhead View Post
    [ ... ] Effective? YES!
    In the instant case? I doubt it.

    If he didn’t pay that amount by March 1, he said, he was told he would be arrested again. [ ... ] U.S. Marshals have plans to serve up to 1,500 warrants on people who have failed to repay their student loans. Texas Rep. Gene Green (D) sees a problem with using U.S. Marshals to act as muscle to collect these loans for debt collectors and lawyers.
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    Does this open this collection to private markets? Like, banks, payday loan offices, and personal loans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    In the instant case? I doubt it.
    Would he have paid back the money he owed if this incident never happened?
    I doubt it.
    Will he come up with the $1,500.00 before March 1.
    Probably.

    Will others that still have unpaid student loans hear about this?
    Yup.
    Will they suddenly think "I need to think about making another payment?"
    Most likely.
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    For some reason, I doubt the accuracy of this 'report'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by article
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    “It was because they knew I was a registered gun owner..."
    Huh? Gun registration in Texas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by notalawyer View Post
    For some reason, I doubt the accuracy of this 'report'.
    Imagine that...my BS detector works fairly well:

    Back in November 2007, Aker was sued by the federal government for nonpayment of more than $2,600 in unpaid federal student loan debt, according to documents from the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas (embedded below). The court record shows that Aker, listed as Winford P. Aker in the complaint, did not appear in court to answer the lawsuit and, as is common when student loan borrowers fail to appear, the presiding judge ruled against him and ordered Aker to pay the full balance on April 17, 2007.

    According to a statement from the U.S. Marshals Service, Aker repeatedly refused to show up in court after being contacted several times. Disobeying a court order is a criminal offense. Within a few months, the judge issued a warrant for his arrest, which the U.S. Marshals carried out. So, yes, Aker was arrested, but not just because he owed a little student loan debt. He was arrested for disobeying a court order.

    The Marshals statement goes on to describe the arrest, saying Aker "resisted arrest and retreated back into his home" when agents arrived:

    The situation escalated when Aker verbally said to the deputies that he had a gun. After Aker made the statement that he was armed, in order to protect everyone involved, the deputies requested additional law enforcement assistance. Additional deputy marshals and local law enforcement officers responded to the scene. After approximately two hours, the law enforcement officers convinced Aker to peacefully exit his home, and he was arrested.
    In the end, Aker went to court and was released. As far as we know, he did not spend any time in jail. Aker claims he was never notified about the order and that could very well be true. His address listed on the complaint is different than the only listing for a "Winford P. Aker" Yahoo Finance found in the Houston area. His court summons may have been sent to an old address (efforts to reach Aker were unsuccessful). However, the U.S. Marshals Service maintains they made every effort to track him down, "including searching at numerous known addresses."

    It’s not clear why it took the Marshals more than three years to track him down, but the fact is he was arrested for failure to appear in court — not for his unpaid debt alone.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/paul-a...212047386.html
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    thanks, i did a 'quickie' search but couldn't locate anything of substance...glad you were able to discern the true story...

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    All distinctions without difference. Still no sympathy for a 30 year delinquency.
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    The Marshals statement goes on to describe the arrest, saying Aker "resisted arrest and retreated back into his home" when agents arrived:
    Got video of this bucko! Effing liars unless there is video corroboration. The simple word of some feds is not credible in any manner what so ever.
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    On the plus side, we aren't discussing "failed" gas canisters that burned him to death in his home in an attempt to smoke him out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    On the plus side, we aren't discussing "failed" gas canisters that burned him to death in his home in an attempt to smoke him out.
    True...there is that going for him.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    I thought federal student loan debt was suppose to be forgiven after 10 years...???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezek View Post
    I thought federal student loan debt was suppose to be forgiven after 10 years...???
    Riiiiiight.
    Sounds like an Obama plan.
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    All aboard to Sandersville! First stop: Debt-Forgivenessburg!

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    unpaid student loan + owning a gun = SWAT TEAM?

    SWAT = SWAT...if you have one you need to justify its existence.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    SWAT = SWAT...if you have one you need to justify its existence.
    SWAT= Special Weapons And Tactics
    Special has been/is a euphemism for mentally handicap. Keeping that in mind, it all make sense. They wear helmets, work in groups, and try to prove that they have value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezek View Post
    I thought federal student loan debt was suppose to be forgiven after 10 years...???
    Quote Originally Posted by Shovelhead View Post
    Riiiiiight.
    Sounds like an Obama plan.
    7 years is an old testament thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezek View Post
    I thought federal student loan debt was suppose to be forgiven after 10 years...???
    They use to be. Has not been that way for at least 10 years, maybe longer.

    The guys name is Winford P. Aker. Maybe he should change his first name to Loseford......

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    Lemme make sure I unnerstand this.

    A guy who owes $1,500 gets heavy threats of force, but the US fedgov can drive the "national debt" to Jupiter, beyond any hope of ever being paid off and none of them get so much as an official accusation?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Lemme make sure I unnerstand this.

    A guy who owes $1,500 gets heavy threats of force, but the US fedgov can drive the "national debt" to Jupiter, beyond any hope of ever being paid off and none of them get so much as an official accusation?
    What debt? What, constitutional, money was borrowed? To whom would said debt be owed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    What debt? What, constitutional, money was borrowed? To whom would said debt be owed?

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    your phrase could also be applied to the student loan guy.

    what constitutional money did he borrow? none, because he didn't borrow anything of actual backed value, then what debt did he really owe?

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    In the end, Aker went to court and was released. As far as we know, he did not spend any time in jail. Aker claims he was never notified about the order and that could very well be true. His address listed on the complaint is different than the only listing for a "Winford P. Aker" Yahoo Finance found in the Houston area. His court summons may have been sent to an old address (efforts to reach Aker were unsuccessful). However, the U.S. Marshals Service maintains they made every effort to track him down, "including searching at numerous known addresses."

    It’s not clear why it took the Marshals more than three years to track him down, but the fact is he was arrested for failure to appear in court — not for his unpaid debt alone.

    Jan Kruse, spokeswoman for the National Consumer Law Center, says cases like Aker's are not uncommon. If you ignore your student loan bills long enough, your loan servicer can sue you in civil court, which is what happened to Aker.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/paul-a...212047386.html
    I would never trust the U.S. Marshals Service to tell the truth. I know a guy that the Marshals claimed that the guy fled justice, they searched high and low for the guy. He lived at the address on the alleged warrant. He renewed his driver's license twice. Renewed his CPA license and Brokers license in the seven years they claimed he left the country. The attorney did discovery and no physical warrant existed. Just some computer entry claiming a warrant was issued.

    The Marshals looked for the guy? No, not really. But, the Marshals were not going to pass-up a chance to play ninjas.....
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