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    Florida resident, Mailing a handgun to myself in Las vegas?

    Hello myself and my new bride will be visiting Vagas in march. I would much prefer to do so armed, my fl cc permit is no good in Nevada, but I would at least like to be able to keep a gun in the hotel room and the car.

    We are flying standby with a layover, checked luggage would be sketchy.

    How else might I get my gun there? I thought about shipping it to a local gun store even if I had to go through a background check but I don't think they can transfer a handgun to someone from out of state, is this even considered a transfer?

    I thought about mailing it to my hotel, but it's hard to trust an un-known hotel staff to not steal it or get freaked out by it.

    How's the best way to go about this? For the return trip I will just ship it to my house.
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    Both Fed Ex and UPS policy require either the sender or receiver be an FFL. so,you doing so would be against their policy.

    By law, you must declare and firearm you ship to the carrier.

    BTW, OC is legal in Nevada. Not in the casinos or hotels. You'll be asked to leave immediately.

    I have a NV CCW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    ...BTW, OC is legal in Nevada. Not in the casinos or hotels. You'll be asked to leave immediately. ...
    Wait a second. Is OC not legal in casinos or hotels, or are some/many of such properties posted?

    BIG difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB62 View Post
    Wait a second. Is OC not legal in casinos or hotels, or are some/many of such properties posted?

    BIG difference.
    most I have seen are posted. however, even in one not posted, if security sees you OC'ing, you'll be asked tl leave immediately in most cases.. refusal will get you trespassed.

    bottom line, even while it may be legal, if asked to leave, you must comply or face arrest.

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    I thinki that's what I said. OC is legal in NV, but posted or not, if you are asked to leave (which you most likely will) you must comply.

    that's all i was trying to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    I thinki that's what I said. OC is legal in NV, but posted or not, if you are asked to leave (which you most likely will) you must comply.

    that's all i was trying to say.
    Oops. Sorry about that. I read it wrong.

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    Why are you not just putting it into your checked baggage? There is no need for the CCW to bring it in your luggage. Technically, while carrying a suitcase that contains a firearm, you are in violation, but there is common sense enforcement, and they do not care about this. They will care, conversely, if you have it in a briefcase or purse and are just doing daily activities while carrying it. But unloaded and in luggage while traveling, and from your transportation to your residence, is no problem.

    EDIT: I just reread and saw the part about checked baggage being sketchy. I don't know how stand-by flights work so don't know how they do the baggage.
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    here is what the ATF says you may do...

    (B6) May a nonlicensee mail a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
    A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns may not be mailed.
    A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
    [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A); 27 CFR 478.31]

    (B7) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
    A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
    In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm or ammunition, prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm and requires obtaining written acknowledgement of receipt.
    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a)(5), 922(e) and (f); 27 CFR 478.30 and 478.31]

    https://www.atf.gov/file/11241/download

    follow mac's advice...hand carry the bloody thing unless you know w/some certainty you are being routed through NY

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    While ATF allows it, both Fed Ex and UPS policies require an FFL as either the shipper or receiver

    UPS

    https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/re.../firearms.html


    Fed Ex

    http://www.fedex.com/us/freight/rule..._articles.html

    most airlines (except Southwest) charge 25 dollars for a checked bag, thereby adding 50 bucks to the cost your trip.
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    DOJ says FOPA covers you duirng airline travel. Just don't take possession of your bag for unplanned stops in NY or NJ.

    Google Revell vs Port Authority of NY and NJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    While ATF allows it, both Fed Ex and UPS policies require an FFL as either the shipper or receiver
    UPS
    https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/re.../firearms.html
    Fed Ex
    http://www.fedex.com/us/freight/rule..._articles.html
    most airlines (except Southwest) charge 25 dollars for a checked bag, thereby adding 50 bucks to the cost your trip.
    It is not commercial shipping policies requiring an FFL but rather the ATF regulations mandate as outlined in my post.

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    Read the UPS and Fed Ex pages I linked. The policy is the shippers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    Read the UPS and Fed Ex pages I linked. The policy is the shippers.
    of course, swinokur, they would have that wording in their policy guidance as they are following federal mandates 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a)(5), 922(e) and (f); 27 CFR 478.30 and 478.31.

    your choice

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    Ok I will toss this out as something I heard but have not tried or confirmed. Perhaps you can research it further. It is possible to ship handgun to an ffl in another state via fedex having made arrangements for the ffl to hold the unopened package for you until you arrive. Allegedly it meets the atf shipping requirements but wouldn't require transfer paper work.
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    That seems like it wouldm be legal. Another option is getting your FFL 03 C & R license (30 bucks). The rules allow shipping to a licensed collector

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    I am a retired airline employee, I fly standby for free, unless they have changed policies since last time I flew (been a few years) I won't pay to check a bag, the issue is I am very likely to get bumped by paying passengers on my intended flight, my checked bags will leave without me as i sit at the gate and spin on the carousel in Vegas while I work my way over on a later flight possibly even to the next day. We have a layover in Atlanta doubling our bump risk.


    I will contact an FFL in Vegas and see if they can hold a package for me, I know they cannot transfer a handgun to a out of state resident, but I hope holding a package for me is not considered a transfer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    That seems like it wouldm be legal. Another option is getting your FFL 03 C & R license (30 bucks). The rules allow shipping to a licensed collector
    I don't know that a c&r will help me with a modern handgun?

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    The statute says "licensed collector". Doesn't specify the type of firearm.

    seems legal to me.

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    I won't try to open carry on the strip or really any dense public space, just not to my taste especially as a tourist, we will be taking a side trip to the grand canyon that seams more appropriate OC for my sensibilities, in AZ I am good to go, my cc liscence is good there, but I don't even need it there. Constitutional carry

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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    The statute says "licensed collector". Doesn't specify the type of firearm.

    seems legal to me.
    My understanding was a c&r had to do solely with very old weapons and replicas there of?
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    Yes but the statute says you can ship or receive a firearm as a licensed collector. No mention of only C&R firearms or antiques only.

    IANAL so don't take this as legal advice. it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    Ok I will toss this out as something I heard but have not tried or confirmed. Perhaps you can research it further. It is possible to ship handgun to an ffl in another state via fedex having made arrangements for the ffl to hold the unopened package for you until you arrive. Allegedly it meets the atf shipping requirements but wouldn't require transfer paper work.
    Good luck with that side step.

    If I were an FFL (I'm not) and got a request from someone unknown to me to act as a drop point for their personal packages, I would either tell you to pound sand or ignore you.

    If you were an acquaintance or friend, I would tell you I don't do business that way.

    Want a more official answer? Ask BATFE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Good luck with that side step.

    If I were an FFL (I'm not) and got a request from someone unknown to me to act as a drop point for their personal packages, I would either tell you to pound sand or ignore you.

    If you were an acquaintance or friend, I would tell you I don't do business that way.

    Want a more official answer? Ask BATFE.
    Perhaps you can explain why you call it a side step?

    Are you so comfortable with draconian anti-2A laws that even a legal means of shipping a gun to yourself feels too much like freedom not to be unsettling?
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