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    Quillette, A platform for free thought. How To Have An Opinion Worth Hearing

    Surprisingly, I think many folks underestimate what they would need to do in order to gestate a truly informed opinion. Itís a tall task, to be sure, but Iíve devised a simple instrument that might help. Below is checklist that can be consulted prior to formulating an opinion and unleashing it on the rest of us.

    I. Understand Causality
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    A former professor of mine at Florida State University, Gary Kleck, has made a career studying guns. In a recent paper reviewing prior evidence on guns and the overall crime rate, Gary pointed out that studies that do a poor job controlling for confounders (this is another way of saying they do less of a good job dealing with spuriousness) typically find gun effects. More rigorously controlled studies do not.
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    II. Be politically and religiously agnostic when forming your opinion.
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    III. Willingness to be wrong
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    Brian Boutwell is an Associate Professor of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Saint Louis University.


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    As a final point, donít forget that a good opinion does not have to even be correct, necessarily.
    Wanting us to select the very best wrong opinion?
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Wanting us to select the very best wrong opinion?
    A good error is better than a bad question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    A good error is better than a bad question.
    Based on the author's reasoning a opinion is past the questioning stage.

    Then again, is it possible to have a impeccable question, that results in a good error, that is the foundation of a totally wrong opinion? Is my question confounding?
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Opinions are not the result of logic. Conclusions are the result of applying a syllogism to premises. Opinions themselves have no inherent truth value, like normative and prescriptive statements.
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    You may be right for all the wrong reasons. Or you may be wrong for all the right reasons. Either way, there are other reasons we don't know exist that can effect outcomes. An unknown quantifier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Opinions are not the result of logic. Conclusions are the result of applying a syllogism to premises. Opinions themselves have no inherent truth value, like normative and prescriptive statements.
    I detect a declarative statement/sentence.
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    Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth. - Marcus Aurelius
    Hmm...
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Opinions are not the result of logic. Conclusions are the result of applying a syllogism to premises. Opinions themselves have no inherent truth value, like normative and prescriptive statements.
    Sounds like that is your opinion.

    I, personally, prefer to base my opinions on facts and logic.

    No, I do not that 100% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth. - Marcus Aurelius
    Hmm...
    Please provide a citation to the source.

    The wonderful thing about e-pubs is that they are usually searchable. I searched my Casaubon's edition for opinion, truth, and perspective, but did not find them nearby each other, indeed, perspective did not occur at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Please provide a citation to the source.

    The wonderful thing about e-pubs is that they are usually searchable. I searched my Casaubon's edition for opinion, truth, and perspective, but did not find them nearby each other, indeed, perspective did not occur at all.
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...ure143088.html

    See if that works.....

    Who actually said it, who knows......
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    Quote Originally Posted by color of law View Post
    See if that works.....Who actually said it, who knows......
    See, that is quite the problem. If Marcus Aurelius' purpose in writing Meditations was known, even if one had not read any of the twelve books, that illiterate attribution would ring hollow. On line compendiums of quotations without citation of chapter and verse (and line number) are worse than useless.

    Now, back to your regularly scheduled boob-tube programming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Please provide a citation to the source.

    The wonderful thing about e-pubs is that they are usually searchable. I searched my Casaubon's edition for opinion, truth, and perspective, but did not find them nearby each other, indeed, perspective did not occur at all.
    Is your access to google effing broke?!?!

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30659.Meditations

    Now, there is no guarantee that any of the writings contained within the book are actually Marcus Aurelius' words...they could've be the words of some copy editor trying to make a buck...back in 2006.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    LOL. I trust the Wikipedia more than Goodreads or Brainyquote. I trust Wikimedia enough to pay to support them and to edit errors that I find. The others are impervious to corrections. They are not 'sources' anymore than is deFacedbook, TTAG, or, for that matter OCDO.

    Oh, and I don't use G00gle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    LOL. I trust the Wikipedia more than Goodreads or Brainyquote. I trust Wikimedia enough to pay to support them and to edit errors that I find. The others are impervious to corrections. They are not 'sources' anymore than is deFacedbook, TTAG, or, for that matter OCDO.

    Oh, and I don't use G00gle.
    and why higher educational institutes ban cites from wikixxxx in their student's scholarly work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    LOL. I trust the Wikipedia more than Goodreads or Brainyquote. I trust Wikimedia enough to pay to support them and to edit errors that I find. The others are impervious to corrections. They are not 'sources' anymore than is deFacedbook, TTAG, or, for that matter OCDO.

    Oh, and I don't use G00gle.
    Then you must not use Amazon et al. either.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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