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    Warrant: Shell casing found on fleeing Virginia man’s body

    WINCHESTER, Va. (AP) — Authorities investigating the reported self-inflicted death of a man who was running from Virginia police officers say they found drugs on his body, in addition to a loaded revolver and one spent shell casing.
    If anybody can screenshot this before it disappears, please do.

    http://wtop.com/virginia/2016/03/war...nia-mans-body/

    This story has been "developing" for the last few days. Earlier, police said they didn't shoot the guy. But, witness(s?) report seeing the police shoot the deceased.

    Sloppy reporting? Police disingenuousness?

    This will be interesting.


    ETA: Sorry, fellas. I forgot that an important bit of info was in the headline, but not repeated in the article text. I went back just now and inserted the headline from the article. It makes a big difference. My fault for the omission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
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    If anybody can screenshot this before it disappears, please do.

    http://wtop.com/virginia/2016/03/war...nia-mans-body/

    This story has been "developing" for the last few days. Earlier, police said they didn't shoot the guy. But, witness(s?) report seeing the police shoot the deceased.

    Sloppy reporting? Police disingenuousness?

    This will be interesting.
    Doesn't say anything about the spent casing being ejected. Collecting the evidence would include recording the number or rounds and spent casings in the revolver.

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    I likewise see nothing about ejected casings. And any proper investigation would note how many casings were spent in the revolver's cylinder. Just because a round and/or casing is still in the cylinder doesn't mean it's not inventoried.

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    People have been known to miss the obvious, but they will invariably find that for which they look......tinted/filtered glasses help.
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    Any bias here, credulous/skeptical or objective/subjective?

    There is doubt about which weapon fired the one shot reported. One weapon involved is described as a loaded revolver, and the other is presumed to be a self-loader typical of cops without a reported inventory of the magazine.

    I doubt even describing the revolver as fully loaded would help.
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    When one chooses to presume (another word for assume) that the media has submitted facts, and chosen words to correctly define them, we teach ourselves to accept a statue with feet of clay as permanent and enduring.

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    Just not enough information to determine what really was meant.
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    Sorry, fellas. I forgot that an important bit of info was in the headline, but not repeated in the text. I went back just now and inserted the headline from the article. It makes a big difference. My fault for the omission.
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    If they said that they found a photo on his body would you expect it to have simply been laying on him or in his pocket? Even if found in the revolver, reporting that found on him was a revolver, a spent casing, a shirt and tie, whatever, still makes sense. Maybe the sentence could have been structured better, but if you take it as only reading that as the casing would literally have to be on his body, not in the revolver or a pocket or anything, it wouldn't make much sense for a semi either, as what are the odds it would land on him and remain there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Sorry, fellas. I forgot that an important bit of info was in the headline, but not repeated in the text. I went back just now and inserted the headline from the article. It makes a big difference. My fault for the omission.
    Doesn't make a bit of difference unless one is so biased as to refuse to see alternate possibilities.

    I'm with Grape on this one: Knowing how often reporters make mistakes (and also knowing that headlines are almost never written by the reporter who wrote the body of the story), I'll wait to reserve judgement either way until there is more data, and more clear data on which to judge.

    If you find a follow up story about the spent casing being found outside the revolver cylinder, let us know. And ditto if you see information that the spent casing was in the revolver, one chamber past firing position.

    I'm reminded of an article in Utah media earlier this week. Seems a local group opposing police brutality and shooting of innocent persons held a rally. Someone spoke at that rally and read a list of names of innocent victims of police violence:

    The name "Jose Angel Garcia-Juaregui" was read in memoriam, followed by a chant from the crowd of "never forget."

    The problem is that Mr. Garcia-Juaregui was shot by police only AFTER he shot and killed one police officer who had stopped to see if Mr. Garcia-Juaregui and his girlfriend needed help since they were broken down on the side of the road. Mr. Garcia-Juaregui then shot and seriously injured another officer (lifetime altering kind of injuries it seems) before he was shot and killed by police.

    Another name read at the rally was that of someone who shot and injured Salt Lake police officers Mo Tifisi and Dan Tueller. Christopher Leo Knight was shot and killed by police in March 2014 after he opened fire on them without warning.

    What do you suppose the reading of these two names has done to the credibility of Utahns Against Police Brutality?

    The fact that they held their rally on the heels of an 18 year old with a growing criminal record getting shot while he was beating a man with a metal bar and refused to drop his weapon when ordered to do so by officers may be a bit too subtle for many to catch. But those two names being included among victims of supposed police brutality is pretty hard to overcome. The criminal was not killed and is recovering at taxpayer expense as I type.

    In simple terms, it doesn't do any just cause any good to be the boy who cried wolf.

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