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    New Gun Store Threatened in Northern Virginia

    Folks I don't know what has happend in politically in Alexandria and Arlington lately but the action of the state representitives in that area are WAY over the line. A group of legislaters including - Dels. Patrick Hope, Alfonso Lopez, Richard Sullivan and Mark Levine and Sens. Barbara Favola, Janet Howell and Adam Ebbin, all Democrats; Are intimidating store owners and landlords to force them to rise up against a new gun store that is trying openin in that area. The story is found here -

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...4ec_story.html

    In my view there legislators are acting outside the authority allowed them under state law. What they are doing is a misuse of power on a scale that as a life long Virginian I find unacceptable. There must be some way to begin to get these people out of office in the next cycle.

    Read the article and see if this doen't incite you to action. These people are enguaged in tyranny under color of office.
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    Oh, my.

    I don't know whether to snarl and spit at the ultra-low tactics, or

    celebrate that Hawkflyer is back!!!

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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    Yep! Time to Fight Back!

    SNIP Last week, the Arlington County Board also decried the plans of Nova Armory to open what the store described as a “high-end” retailer of sporting and self-defense weapons. Residents of the Lyon Park neighborhood, across Route 50 from Joint Base Ft. Myer-Henderson Hall, have raised objections to its opening. (1) The store will be across the street from a private preschool and day care center.

    The legislators —Dels. Patrick Hope, Alfonso Lopez, Richard Sullivan and Mark Levine and Sens. Barbara Favola, Janet Howell and Adam Ebbin, all Democrats — sent their letter Wednesday from Richmond, where they are in the midst of the annual legislative session.

    “Given its proximity to Route 50 with easy access to Interstate 95, this location could be the site for potentially nefarious and illegal activities such as enabling individuals to successfully obtain fraudulent Virginia drivers licenses to purchase firearms, illegally paying Virginia residents to buy guns, creating a ‘black market’ to sell firearms for cash or drugs, or become a magnet for robbery as was recently the case in a firearms store in McLean, Virginia,” the letter said.
    1. So? Are these legislators trying to imply that a pre-schooler is gonna buy a gun and shoot his classmates ala Columbine?

    2. Oh! Accusing the store owner of felonies (strawman sales, off-the-books sales) before he opens? Give me a break. I hope he sues.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Oh, my.

    I don't know whether to snarl and spit at the ultra-low tactics, or

    celebrate that Hawkflyer is back!!!

    I hate the dancing bananas, but this is a special occasion!

    Hawkflyer never really went anywhere - just hasn't had much to say over the last year and a half, but it appears he's been reading.
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    In the Meantime

    “Given its proximity to Route 50 with easy access to Interstate 95, this location could be the site for potentially nefarious and illegal activities such as...
    As we marshal our forces and get ready to bury these low-lifes in a storm of protest and vigorous verbal counter-attack, a reply to the above quote occurs to me:

    Because of ridiculous spending priorities and an inexplicable ability of the legislature to solve traffic grid-lock in northern VA, there are no worries about easy access to I95. It would take a criminal a week to get through the gridlock, assuming his suspension survived the unrepaired roads. Heck, a state police officer could probably walk up on the bad-guy--starting from the Charlottesville barracks.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    As we marshal our forces and get ready to bury these low-lifes in a storm of protest and vigorous verbal counter-attack, a reply to the above quote occurs to me:

    Because of ridiculous spending priorities and an inexplicable ability of the legislature to solve traffic grid-lock in northern VA, there are no worries about easy access to I95. It would take a criminal a week to get through the gridlock, assuming his suspension survived the unrepaired roads. Heck, a state police officer could probably walk up on the bad-guy--starting from the Charlottesville barracks.

    ^^Best response I've seen yet!^^
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    Nice to hear from you again Grapeshot. You are right I do read the forums and the news.

    But gents this is worse than you think. One of the politicians posted that news article on facebook as a matter of pride of accomplishment. Of course a lot of folks started responding. Hundreds have posted, maybe 3 or 4 have agreed with his position. But here is the real irritation. This guy has taken the position that if you don't live in his district, you and you opinion don't matter. This of course raised the temperature a lot. His comment that no citizen should ever be allowed to leave a shooting range with a semi-auto also generated some comment. But his constant reference to a firearm as a weapon of mass destruction is astonishing.

    I know that VCDL has made great progress this year in Richmond, and that is their strength. But I think somehow it is the job of the rest of us to take action to get these guys out of office.

    I am now retired and no longer have the limitations on my political activities I've lived with for the last 30 years. I for one am ready to fight back.

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    TL/DR.

    Is this the same story from several months ago?

    stay safe.
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    No, it is NOT the same story. Different location, and this time, seven State legislators have conspired to issue threatening demands to the landlord to cancel the lease.

    It might be a long story, but it's too important to not read.

    Read the action items from PVC in the recent VA-ALERT.

    Also read the letter that these legislators sent - on General Assembly letterhead!! Your blood will boil.

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    Mentally deficient thinking such as that demonstrated by the NOVA Rep, and Yankee escapees fleeing to Northern Virginia and their deranged attempts to destroy Virginia as they did New York is one of the major reasons I fled south.

    Far more intelligent and gentile people inhabit Richmond. (And NO DIPLOMATS.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    That is exactally how that hit me. I cannot believe these guys are alowed to use State letterhead to intimadate citizens into persecuting a law abiding citizen. I for one am outraged. This cannot go unaddressed; gun issue or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkflyer View Post
    That is exactally how that hit me. I cannot believe these guys are alowed to use State letterhead to intimadate citizens into persecuting a law abiding citizen. I for one am outraged. This cannot go unaddressed; gun issue or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Because of ridiculous spending priorities and an inexplicable inability of the legislature to solve traffic grid-lock in northern VA, . . .
    Think you had a typo there, but I agree with the sentiment 100%....

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    Support the store- attend the grand opening

    I just received a note from Del. Richard l Anderson (R) of the 51 st legislative district. He advises that he is aware of the situation with this store and his fellow legislators. He says there is nothing he can do about them as they broke no laws; but he advises that he and others plan to attend the grand opening of the store in support of the owners and to support TSA. I am checking now to see when the opening is planned and will attempt to attend as well. I will post the date and time in this thread.

    Ok they are projecting the grand opening for March 26, 2016 9:00am

    NOVA Armory
    2300 N Pershing DrUnit 2B
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    this is a link to the store website -

    http://www.novaarmory.com/#!grand-opening

    I hope we can get a turnout in support of this store. The Anti-rights people are trying to force their agenda by eliminating stores. Please don't let that happen in Virginia. Send these people a clear message and come to the grand opening. First 100 people get free 'T' shirts.

    I can only hope that some of the cowardly legislators who signed the letter will be there as well. while what they did may be lawful it is clearly not ethical. To that end I intend to persue this further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkflyer View Post
    ...while what they did may be lawful it is clearly not ethical. To that end I intend to pursue this further.
    I'm just a distant bystander, watching with interest, but wanted to thank you.
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    Our daughter lives a few blocks from there on Garfield - will plan on dropping by their store with her when in town in a few months


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    Anti-Gun protesters expected to attend opening

    It has come to my attention that a number of anti-rights protestors are planning to atten the stores grand opening. Part of their plan is to obstruct access to the store. The store owner is being bombarded with hostile phone calls, and threats if he opens the store. When I spoke to him he was very glad to hear from someone who was not hostile towards him or his family.

    I am planning to attend this grand opening on the 26th, rain or shine with bells on. As the NRA says its "Time to stand and fight."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkflyer View Post
    It has come to my attention that a number of anti-rights protestors are planning to atten the stores grand opening. Part of their plan is to obstruct access to the store. The store owner is being bombarded with hostile phone calls, and threats if he opens the store. When I spoke to him he was very glad to hear from someone who was not hostile towards him or his family.

    I am planning to attend this grand opening on the 26th, rain or shine with bells on. As the NRA says its "Time to stand and fight."

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    Can we see a sample of these threats - physical violence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Can we see a sample of these threats - physical violence?
    I don't have anything but the shop owners word. We spoke on the phone. That said NOVA armory is on the net and you could call and talk with him. Be aware he is a bit tenative with callers at first so be patient.

    There is also a very active discussion on Facebook about all of this. Del. Mark Levine (D) is the primary person involved in all this. As usual, Mr. Levine has made a vast number of unsupported accusations and statements about all the illegal activities that occur at this gun shop. He speaks as though these things are happening right now, but of course the store has not opened yet, and many of the things we says are or will happen could or would not happen in reality.

    One of the big whoppers (not hamburger; Lies) he tells regularly is how people will make "Straw" purchases of vast numbers of guns at the store, and then sell these gun to ISIS terrorists from the trunk of their car in the parking lot behind the store. I mean really. I know a lot of gun shop owners; but I don't know even one that would allow someone to sell guns from a car in the shop parking lot.

    The short of this is when you read the tone of many of the comments from the people attacking the store, it is very clear that they might be harassing the guy directly. Pasted below is the text of the email I got from Del. Richard L. Anderson when I asked him to Take these legislators and the letter they wrote to the ethics committee of the legislature.

    Regards

    Dear Mr. name removed,

    Many thanks for your email. I agree that it is wrongheaded for Virginia legislators to interfere with a legitimate, law-abiding, and Constitutionally-protected business. There is nothing we can do because these legislators who signed the letter broke no laws. Instead, we who stand by the 2nd Amendment are planning to attend the grand opening of NOVA Armory and stand with the proprietor and his employees.

    Many thanks for writing, and please call on me anytime I may assist you or your family!

    Best,

    Rich Anderson

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    ^ ^ ^ ^
    "...we who stand by the 2nd Amendment are planning to attend the grand opening of NOVA Armory and stand with the proprietor and his employees.."

    Translating those strong words into action (presuming they do so) will be much appreciated.

    Wonder whether other members of the GA are included in the "We."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    ^ ^ ^ ^
    "...we who stand by the 2nd Amendment are planning to attend the grand opening of NOVA Armory and stand with the proprietor and his employees.."

    Translating those strong words into action (presuming they do so) will be much appreciated.

    Wonder whether other members of the GA are included in the "We."
    Yea I was wondering what he meant by "WE". It sounds like there may be a few of them. I can't say, but based on my talk with the shop owner, he is expecting a lot of anti-rights people to show up.

    You should look this up on facebook and read some of the drivle from the liberals on this situation. You will not believe your eyes. I wish some people in Arlington would start writing in because he is claiming that the only resistance he is seeing is from outside his district.

    You know I understand that a lot of mouth breathing liberals have moved into the area, who are clueless about firearms and who react poorly like Pavavlov's dogs when the word "Gun' is mentioned. But I actually expected more from people in our legislature than I am seeing from the 7 democrat legislators who signed and sent that letter. It is as if the Constitution is optional to these people, and we have somehow been transported to a communist country. The idea that these guys can intimadate, and bully a legimate, legal, business person in this way is just so far outside the box, I can't believe I am seeing this in my home state.

    Unfortunatly for them I took and oath. There were a few words in there about defending the Constitution from enemies both foriegn and DOMESTIC. These 7 legislators and the throng of unthinking idiots following them are in my mind a domestic threat. I cannot in good concience sit quietly and watch this kind of thing while we have souldiers deployed to foreign lands fighting and dieing every day for freedom. I am too old to be over there with them; but I do not want to have to explain why I let their country go to hell while they were gone. I plan to be there on March 26, and I hope others will join me. I have no plans to to be sensitive about the anti-rights Hoplophobia these people have exhibited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkflyer View Post
    Yea I was wondering what he meant by "WE". It sounds like there may be a few of them. I can't say, but based on my talk with the shop owner, he is expecting a lot of anti-rights people to show up.

    You should look this up on facebook and read some of the drivle from the liberals on this situation. You will not believe your eyes. I wish some people in Arlington would start writing in because he is claiming that the only resistance he is seeing is from outside his district.

    You know I understand that a lot of mouth breathing liberals have moved into the area, who are clueless about firearms and who react poorly like Pavavlov's dogs when the word "Gun' is mentioned. But I actually expected more from people in our legislature than I am seeing from the 7 democrat legislators who signed and sent that letter. It is as if the Constitution is optional to these people, and we have somehow been transported to a communist country. The idea that these guys can intimadate, and bully a legimate, legal, business person in this way is just so far outside the box, I can't believe I am seeing this in my home state.

    Unfortunatly for them I took and oath. There were a few words in there about defending the Constitution from enemies both foriegn and DOMESTIC. These 7 legislators and the throng of unthinking idiots following them are in my mind a domestic threat. I cannot in good concience sit quietly and watch this kind of thing while we have souldiers deployed to foreign lands fighting and dieing every day for freedom. I am too old to be over there with them; but I do not want to have to explain why I let their country go to hell while they were gone. I plan to be there on March 26, and I hope others will join me. I have no plans to to be sensitive about the anti-rights Hoplophobia these people have exhibited.

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    do you have a cite for the facebook page you wish someone to look up?

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    just saying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    --snipped--
    added: grape got a place to do lunch after the shindig in the morning??
    I'm not really that familiar with the area restaurants. Won't be able to attend - have an appointment elsewhere that would be best not rescheduled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solus View Post
    do you have a cite for the facebook page you wish someone to look up?

    ipse

    added: grape got a place to do lunch after the shindig in the morning??

    just saying...
    No, but all you have to do is go to facebook and look up Delagate Mark Levine. He has proudly shared the Washington Post article and subsequently posted a bunch of unblevable statements to support his position. Some fo the stuff is so far out there you wind up being compelled to read it. It is realy unblevable.

    I would post a link but I access facebook on an ipad app so there is no link path available to paste in here.

    EDIT - It seems the good Delagate has grown tired of people commenting on his actions. the ability to comment on his meme has been shut off. So all you can do now is read. I don't recommend that as reading his drivle will anger you a lot and without a means to respond or comment your blood preassure will go through the roof. Just his opening statements have done that to many. See here

    NoVA Armory, we don't want you selling your weapons of mass destruction near schools in Arlington! We shouldn't have to wait until people are shot dead with your military-grade semiautomatic weaponry to protest this store. Thousands of your neighbors want you gone.

    Last weekend, a Woodbridge man who was arrested for pulling a gun on someone in a parking lot murdered his wife and a police officer and shot two others. How did he get his guns? Are you ready to pay for all the funerals of all the people that your guns murder? And provide reimbursement for all wrongful deaths you cause? If not, then please, we beg you, leave Arlington.


    You are not welcome here. Arlingtonians will do their best to show you how unwelcome you are. We have options. Perhaps we boycott the entire strip mall? And force people to cross an angry picket line? If business declines at the other stores, maybe the mall owner will change its mind. What do you think?

    Del. Mark Levine
    And this just posted this evening should anger a lot of you from Virginia -

    I'm being fiercely attacked at my Delegate Page (facebook.com/LevineforVirginia) by a bunch of gun lovers who live outside of Arlington and Alexandria for my position that gun stores next to preschools are not welcome in Arlington or Alexandria. If you agree with my position, please go there and defend it. It seems the vast majority of these people are from out of state and very few are from NOVA.

    Del. Mark Levine
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